Modes On Chilling Out About the Modes

[Bob Lighthouse]

Unless


Oh dear, that would be proof of

now wouldn't it. There Ziggy goes and does the impossible. I'm like a superhero I are.

You even said it yourself:

That is called proof isn't it? For the love of Zod, you are disagreeing with yourself there. If you got it from reading the forum, you must be able to present what you read, right? But you can't. Because you have not read what you claim in this forum the last year.

Q.E.D.

As a wise man once said, "You are failing miserably." Next time darling Bob, when you have no indication of someone's sentiment, don't state as if you have. I don't appreciate you shoving this bullssheit in my shoes based on your preconceived erroneous notions.

I cannot provide proof of something I did not read.
If I did read it and there is a quote then it is no longer an unfalsifiable claim.
So no, you did not do the impossible.

Here's a relevant quote for you:

“Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think that you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong.” --famous author

You still get an F, today.

 

[Marra Morgan]

Yes, you are right. And I do play Open. But it always literally RUINS my week. Every single time.
I certainly meet nice, new people there, asking me for a wing mission.

Then, in a high-security system I get wolf-pack attacked by some idiots at 10 to 1.

In reality the police would make the life of those pirates miserable. They would lose their ships, money and everything, no matter if they kill me or not.
But at Elite PvP they have to fear nothing.

The Open Elite game is the by far most unrealistic space game I have ever seen in terms of crime and Punishment. It is sad and it makes me very angry.
As a matter of fact I can not play PvP too often because this more or less green light from frontier to troll and gank at every system makes me furious and ruins my days.

Thanks for trying to get involved in the thread JohannStrauss. We're not really here to bash on any of the modes - this thread is about being chilled out about them and having the mindset of play and let play. There's plenty of threads out there where you can lock horns with the "Open Only" vocal minority, if that's what you're looking to do.

 

[TheMegaTurnip]

Well lets have another crack at this shall we?

I play only in open, but to be fair, I am also getting bored of the toxic fools and the almost constant abuse you recive for either besting them, or leaving them be.

If you beat them, you have to put up with an extended list of why they lost and it was only ever due to technicality, or alternatively, you leave and they send you bull calling you a poosay and what not.

It's boring. E-peen waggling is for 12 yo's, for goodness sake go and play overwatch you gimpoids.

I love the PvP action in this game, its great fun as thats where the flight model exceeds, but then I typically put myself at a huge disadvantage with ship choice so I recieve much less stick off the rest of the community. Whereas the aforementioned wolf pack mentality in 90% of the PvP crowd is met with disgust.
Personally i'm struggling to engage with the game properly at all at this point, I can play for like an hour and then I run out of willpower.

Between the glairing balance issues like shields being retardedly OP and things like MRP's basically providing no protection against the cancer that are the packhounds, PvP has devolved into benifiting noone but the meta teet suckling scumbags. To be honest thats kinda old at this point.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Well lets have another crack at this shall we?

I play only in open, but to be fair, I am also getting bored of the toxic fools and the almost constant abuse you recive for either besting them, or leaving them be.

If you beat them, you have to put up with an extended list of why they lost and it was only ever due to technicality, or alternatively, you leave and they send you bull calling you a poosay and what not.

It's boring. E-peen waggling is for 12 yo's, for goodness sake go and play overwatch you gimpoids.

I love the PvP action in this game, its great fun as thats where the flight model exceeds, but then I typically put myself at a huge disadvantage with ship choice so I recieve much less stick off the rest of the community. Whereas the aforementioned wolf pack mentality in 90% of the PvP crowd is met with disgust.
Personally i'm struggling to engage with the game properly at all at this point, I can play for like an hour and then I run out of willpower.

Between the glairing balance issues like shields being retardedly OP and things like MRP's basically providing no protection against the cancer that are the packhounds, PvP has devolved into benifiting noone but the meta teet suckling scumbags. To be honest thats kinda old at this point.

I have a Courier and Vulture if you want to do some small ship 1v1 (based on your sig).
I'm pretty terrible but I won't cry about getting blown up and I can afford lots of rebuys.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I cannot provide proof of something I did not read.

Contradicts: "I got it from reading this forum for the past year".

Next time darling Bob, when you have no indication of someone's sentiment, don't state as if you have. I don't appreciate you shoving this bullssheit in my shoes based on your preconceived erroneous notions.

If I did read it and there is a quote then it is no longer an unfalsifiable claim.

You really don't know what you're talking about do you? An unfalsifiable claim is unfalsifiable by principle, not circumstance.

This is basic stuff.

 

[JohannStrauss]

Thanks for trying to get involved in the thread JohannStrauss. We're not really here to bash on any of the modes - this thread is about being chilled out about them and having the mindset of play and let play. There's plenty of threads out there where you can lock horns with the "Open Only" vocal minority, if that's what you're looking to do.

Thank you for your kind words. I was a bit angry yesterday thus my words were much too hard.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Contradicts: "I got it from reading this forum for the past year".

Next time darling Bob, when you have no indication of someone's sentiment, don't state as if you have. I don't appreciate you shoving this bullssheit in my shoes based on your preconceived erroneous notions.


You really don't know what you're talking about do you? An unfalsifiable claim is unfalsifiable by principle, not circumstance.

This is basic stuff.

Wrong yet again.

I read it, and saw nothing of the sort.
Thus "I got that impression from reading it on this forum for the past year."
It's entirely factual.

That's why I actually asked you if you had evidence of the contrary.
I even spelled out how you providing such would not have changed my prior lack of an observation.

Repeating this is getting tedious, try to pay attention.
You are still failing.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

"I got that impression from reading it on this forum for the past year."
It's entirly factual

Except you did not "read it" because I never "wrote it". And you cannot "produce it" because of that and now are trying to save face skirting around that.


Next time darling Bob, when you have no indication of someone's sentiment, don't state as if you have. I don't appreciate you shoving this bullssheit in my shoes based on your preconceived erroneous notions.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

That was sloppy.
That's what happens when I have to keep repeating myself.

I got it from reading the forum for the past year...

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

That was sloppy.
That's what happens when I have to keep repeating myself.

I got it from reading the forum for the past year...

Bollox.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Bollox.

Not at all.
Nothing you say can change it either.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Not at all.
Nothing you say can change it either.

Now you finally got it.

 

[Jockey79]

I cannot provide proof of something I did not read

I read it, and saw nothing of the sort.

Wait, I'm confused, did you or didn't you read it?

 

[Darkfyre99]

Since that infamous attack on Mobius and my own experience since joining Loren's Legion I've been thinking a lot about competition in Elite and how it relates to the Modes.

Of course, I'm known now as an 'Opener' and have attempted to promote playing in that mode as much as possible. Probably said some things I wouldn't now, but hey, that's the price of evolving your position ain't it?

So here's the thing. The game is what the game is. It's Frontier's baby and they're gonna do what they see fit. We can say what we like of course and things will go from there. I get that. All good. When it comes to me as a player though I just can't get all that worked up about what Mode people choose to play in. You do you, pick what's appropriate to the experience you want, and have some fun.

That said.

Do I think Open provides the superior Elite experience and the chance to tell stories you just can't in Solo and Private Group? Yes.

I think it’s fairer to say that Open Elite provides a different experience, not a superior one. Sure, you get a different kind of story that you’ll never see outside of Open, but in my experience, those types of stories generally suck. I can count the number of genuinely good experiences in Open on one hand, and have fingers left over if I don’t include Power play.

I still remain primarily in Open, because it does offer different challenges to overcome.

Do I think it's lame to knowingly attack another player group's BgS or PowerPlay in Solo and Private Group? Yes.

Personally, I disagree. I’ll never see 99.9% of the people who might potentially oppose me, even while playing in Open, so I’m not going to be upset about the remaining 0.1%. If I can’t succeed because someone’s playing in Solo, I’m doing something wrong.

Will I still get fired up and want to slap everyone I see? Probably.

Going forward what I'll try to do is promote Open Play in the interest of encouraging satisfying game play for everyone. I want to share what I love about Open Play, first and foremost.

In any case, thanks for reading and have a nice day.

Good luck with that. There’s far too many players in Open when expect others to be their content, without returning the favor, to get everyone into Open. That’s a state of affairs that has remained constant over the 40 year history of online gaming. I doubt it’ll change anytime soon.

 

[wrmiller]

Talking to people sometimes feels like talking to a piece of soap - slippery.

LOL...Repped.

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

Personally, I disagree. I’ll never see 99.9% of the people who might potentially oppose me, even while playing in Open, so I’m not going to be upset about the remaining 0.1%. If I can’t succeed because someone’s playing in Solo, I’m doing something wrong.

Good post! Gonna pluck out the above right quick just to say yes, it is impossible to guarantee I'll see my foe in Open but choosing Open is at least a factor I can control. Just where I choose to draw the line I suppose.

In the end though you're right - I should still be able to beat the foe playing in Solo and Private Group.

 

[Asp Explorer]

In the end though you're right - I should still be able to beat the foe playing in Solo and Private Group.

You can! If you out-work the opposition (and randoms) in your chosen BGS effort, you are pretty much guaranteed a win. Where so many PVP focused players lose BGS is the fact they are essentially playing the game backwards. To win BGS, you ignore other players, pew-pew can actually hurt your chosen faction.

 

[Marra Morgan]

You can! If you out-work the opposition (and randoms) in your chosen BGS effort, you are pretty much guaranteed a win. Where so many PVP focused players lose BGS is the fact they are essentially playing the game backwards. To win BGS, you ignore other players, pew-pew can actually hurt your chosen faction.

Yep, I agree with most of that. When Phisto was leader of Newton's Fusiliers, he did lead a successful campaign using both BGS and PvP to acheive their goals, but that is certainly the exception rather than the rule!

As BGS General for our group, I prefer to see our opponents acting in Open, but I accept that they can choose any mode they wish. I have no problem directing defence (and counter-attack) against players in PGs or Solo.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Wait, I'm confused, did you or didn't you read it?

I read the forum, and didn't read anything of the sort.

Now you finally got it.

I said the same thing right from the beginning, all of your equivocation notwithstanding.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I'm your uncle.

Noooooooo [sad]