I got a copy from my MA teacher, on my 40th birthday, when I thought I had become too old/injured to succeed at anything physical. Was wrong about that as well, but it is finally becoming true.
General / Off-Topic Everything was a lie. ( lots of pictures.)
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I got a copy from my MA teacher, on my 40th birthday, when I thought I had become too old/injured to succeed at anything physical. Was wrong about that as well, but it is finally becoming true.
Eye opening stuff but don't stop there. History is full of contradictions and we have to remember to judge historical persons with at least a pinch of charity since we have no way of knowing how future generations are going to judge us for our actions and attitudes. Imagine the horror of our posterity if one day they discover that Tuna are as sentient as humans and yet we regularly served them as sandwiches, salads and fillets.
It is equally important to recognize the great accomplishments of those who have gone before us ... even if we also acknowledge their many failings. History isn't always a pretty picture.
It is equally important to recognize the great accomplishments of those who have gone before us ... even if we also acknowledge their many failings. History isn't always a pretty picture.
The Devil is in the details, but sometimes you need to make deal with the Devil to pave the way to righteousness.
I look at history through multiple facets and pick out the nuggets of truth that I can collect and decide paint my pictures of events through that.
Never take one persons perspective at face value, because everybody has their own opinion and paints a picture to how they see it. Make your own opinion. Even though more details about events come up all the time. Even those are not all the details on what happened. Unless you were actually there when decisions were made. No one will ever know the complete full story of anything.
There will always be greed, bigotry in one form or another, superiority complexes, war... We're humans. Its in our nature. Our evolution. You can be a good person and have those qualities. It just depends on how well you can hide it or refuse to act on it, but you still have them.
Also most technological innovations were military projects at first or with the military in mind. Microwave Oven (early radar tests), Velcro, GPS, Computers, Internet, Airplanes... the list goes one.
I look at history through multiple facets and pick out the nuggets of truth that I can collect and decide paint my pictures of events through that.
Never take one persons perspective at face value, because everybody has their own opinion and paints a picture to how they see it. Make your own opinion. Even though more details about events come up all the time. Even those are not all the details on what happened. Unless you were actually there when decisions were made. No one will ever know the complete full story of anything.
There will always be greed, bigotry in one form or another, superiority complexes, war... We're humans. Its in our nature. Our evolution. You can be a good person and have those qualities. It just depends on how well you can hide it or refuse to act on it, but you still have them.
Also most technological innovations were military projects at first or with the military in mind. Microwave Oven (early radar tests), Velcro, GPS, Computers, Internet, Airplanes... the list goes one.
You forgot to mention that Wernher von Braun, the guy who made it possible to land a man on the moon by constructing the Saturn V rocket, had a very questionable past (putting it mildly to avoid the N-word).
In the picture he is the one in the middle of the last but one row, wearing civilian suit and certainly the one in the front row with the moustache doesn't need any introduction.
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Dude every country had their own version of operation paperclip. If people didn't know Von Braun was a German scientist you didn't pay attention in school.
You know, I know, but I guess there's still people who don't.
Also I tried to underline what Robin said about the Apollo program, that it was indeed not only the glorious 'endeavour of mankind' and especially its origins have some very dark background (if this is so well known I have no idea).
A rusty V-2 engine in the original underground production facilities at the Dora-Mittelbau concentration camp memorial site.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2_rocket
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The whole world is a trickery.
It is necessary to tell stories to move the herd
It is necessary to tell stories to move the herd
if you want knowledge, speak the truth.
if you want things done, tell a lie.
our species has been mostly concentrating on getting things done. it's lies all over. thing is, we can't live without them.
Well it depends on your education i suspect? And while not EVERYTHING is a lie, certainly large portions of what we understand about the roles of our countries in history do require deeper reading and understanding.
The classic 'good' vs 'evil' narrative is childish simplicity at best, and just a basic grasp of that fact can go along way to allowing us all to be better 'world citizens' ultimately. If you have the luxury of fair voting (you might be surprised at how that is not a given!), do use it well. We get the government we deserve.
The classic 'good' vs 'evil' narrative is childish simplicity at best, and just a basic grasp of that fact can go along way to allowing us all to be better 'world citizens' ultimately. If you have the luxury of fair voting (you might be surprised at how that is not a given!), do use it well. We get the government we deserve.
No philosophy from me but here's a proper whopper;
Charles Ponzi, an Italian immigrant to the US, made a fortune off of lying to people. In fact, he was so good at deception that the government named a type of fraud after him—the Ponzi scheme.
In 1920, Ponzi tricked thousands of New England residents into investing in a postage stamp speculation scheme. He promised investors he could provide a whopping 50 percent return in just 90 days. Each time a new investor gave him money, he’d use those funds to pay off earlier investors, to create the illusion that they were profiting from a legitimate business.
At the height of his huge scam, he raked in $250,000 a day, about $3 million in today’s money. But his days of scheming and scamming caught up to him in August of that same year, when he was charged with 86 counts of mail fraud.
Charles Ponzi, an Italian immigrant to the US, made a fortune off of lying to people. In fact, he was so good at deception that the government named a type of fraud after him—the Ponzi scheme.
In 1920, Ponzi tricked thousands of New England residents into investing in a postage stamp speculation scheme. He promised investors he could provide a whopping 50 percent return in just 90 days. Each time a new investor gave him money, he’d use those funds to pay off earlier investors, to create the illusion that they were profiting from a legitimate business.
At the height of his huge scam, he raked in $250,000 a day, about $3 million in today’s money. But his days of scheming and scamming caught up to him in August of that same year, when he was charged with 86 counts of mail fraud.
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Off-topic, but I lived in Kenya for a couple of years and in Swahili the WWII funny moustache N-word means coconut - so it appears on a lot of menus, which is kind of surreal when you're choosing lunch.
Now I'm questioning everything.
I wonder if in years to come we'll be talking in much the same way about the Roberts' scheme?
[video=youtube;TjDEsGZLbio]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjDEsGZLbio[/video]
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Yeah, dude, nothing is black and white.
As such, it is important to find the greater degrees of good and to celebrate them.
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it's deeper (and simpler) than that. 'good' and 'evil' are both lies too, they don't actually exist. before we homo sapiens started inventing stories nothing was good or bad, it just was. and good and bad change in time and place. it's all fiction, thus subjective, and both those inventions have been used to both massacre people and cure diseases.
now, inb4 someone goes 'yeah but there are good lies and bad lies' ... that's not the point, and that's a lie too
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