Game's future

[Stigbob]

Thing is though, as I've said with a few of my comments now, David explicitly states in these diaries the enormous work a lot of the features are going to entail (starting back then 4 years ago), and he says they're going to take a long time. It just amazes me that people think he was lying when in reality 4 years for a game of this scope isn't all that long (look at Cyberpunk 2077 six years in development and it's in Alpha with years away from release as said by the devs this year. Also Star Citizen. Infinity Battlescape, and many more).

Yep, he also says repeatedly things like "we plan, we would like, we intend". The complaints about it are generally based on half a sentence taken out of context with certain very obvious proviso's (plus the timeline as you've pointed out) completely ignored and a seeming total inability to comprehend that plans can change. The complaints never stand up to even basic scrutiny.

He didn't fool anyone they either fooled themselves, or are simply lying.

 

[Alpenmilch]

Star what?

How can you name it here? This isn´t even a thing, but a pay to pay mechanic for years to come.

Just remember: Mr. Braben and Mr. Roberts started their projects at the same time in 2012. One of these is a game and have a past, the other thing is not.

I fell on my knees in front of Frontier every time I think about it, having fun for 5000 hours since the beginning instead of throwing money for useless ships out of the window with very little hope left.

You may have a look...

[video=youtube;3slnXcQmtV8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3slnXcQmtV8[/video]

Carry on Frontier

[heart]

 

[Aaron T]

I loved this game so much early on until I learned that nerf meant more than foam footballs and darts shot from toy guns.

FD loves to nerf, they are bloodthirsty nerfers, lol.

They hate fixing bugs, they love breaking things with each update, but they are maniacal about nerfing.

I suffered through to Triple Elite, now I am going to slow way the heck down and just watch the updates, new ships, graphics etc, and just tru to find fun non grindy stuff to do.

But they have the mission boards so screwed up now I am afraid to spend a single credit because it will take forever to make it back.

 

[babelfisch]

Because he has lied other times like offline mode for example, maybe.

Any proof that he lied?

 

[Stigbob]

Because he has lied other times like offline mode for example, maybe.

Lol, its the complaint that time forgot.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Because he has lied other times like offline mode for example, maybe.

He didn't lie. There's difference between thinking you can pull of technically complex solution as part of work you do and then figuring out you actually can't. Engineering is just insane, but software engineering is on another level itself. People really should stop using 'lie' as verb towards things they don't like.

If you want to provide criticism, why not say FD and David was not competent enough to pull offline mode off? I know it sounds less insulting and you are really not for criticism here, but still...

 

[BluStar]

The problem i have with the doom threads is not so much post itself but the way in which its conducted.

Its usually a case of

THIS GAME IS SCREWED LOOK AT THIS CHART.

And all i can think is ..ok..so..whats your contructive solution mate?

"Either FD wake up or else"

Right. Great.

Its like somoene pulling up on the side of a motorway and shouting HEY EVERYONE MY CAR IS SH/ITE

Ok mate..but again..so what? what do you want me to do about it?

If you really feel that strongly about it..why dont you email FD directly? And maybe put forward some ideas?

I honestly dont know anymore.

im not fdev employee, its not my responsibility to find solutions to where they screwed up, im here to voice my dissatisfcation and i hope people will keep complaining and making theads to keep pushing fdev to do something

 

[Genus]

because i want to see other peoples opinions and reactions.

Yeah, it's unfortunate. Post Horizons, something happened. Still can't put my finger on it, but the decline started there with doubling down on what were discovered to be empty promises from the KS era due to closed system designers being left holding the baby. Nothing has been put right since, indeed more banality has been introduced. The momentum on that decline has simply been increasing since then. It will hit critical mass before April '19 if changes aren't made.

Meaningful changes at that, and not just to the content and development arc of the game itself.

Beyond delivery needs to be benchmark. Do FD have it in them? The next few months will be telling.

 

[babelfisch]

im not fdev employee, its not my responsibility to find solutions to where they screwed up, im here to voice my dissatisfcation and i hope people will keep complaining and making theads to keep pushing fdev to do something

That would be great. Even better if these threads would have some substance.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

I think I will provide a bit more detailed response to OP. First of all, concern about future of ED is understood. People invest their time in game and they feel they want it to 'go on' for long time. So I don't dismiss anyone saying they are worried. I am not concerned though.

I think biggest drag for me in the past regarding ED was always waiting for some unknown future. It took several years and different crisis for me to realize I just want to play ED, I just want to enjoy it as much as I can. And I just do that. Thankfully, despite how you can view Horizons, it added quite a lot things to do, few of them are my favorite things - planets, SRV and passengers. Also all redesign and refactor towards trade, missions are not missed on me - I enjoy ED way more than two years ago.

I think there are people who are disappointed with ED. However considering open world structure, there are always people who have want more, who want something different, etc. FD says player numbers available for Steam ar scrambled. Why they don't have good reasons to tell truth about player base, they don't have good reasons to lie either. I mean, in the end, it is business for them. You stick around if you like ED, you spend money on cosmetics - or you don't, you take a pause, waiting for improvements.

So in the end, both quoting numbers and future paradoxically matters way less than people make it out to be. And that's with taken context that FD really keep working on game, 4 years since release. In the end, it is all ED future needs.

 

[ShimEnki]

me and my friends are giggling at amount of fanboys, whiteknights and apologists (one even seem to have made whole thread to somewhat excuse steamcharts) that attacked this thread

oh and yes i know im right from amount of REP im recieving for first post

I no longer believe they are fanbois, instead---paid forum monitors.

CMDR Eagleboy is a fan but is indeed genuine and responds with balance and from a true player's pt of view---which is rare here

 

[Ignition]

I don't know if the game is going to die, but for me at least it has been dead since 2 or 3 years.

Beyond was a year of no solid updates, If 3.3 is not good enough then I'm done with this game once and for all.

The gameplay is so stupid and simple that Is really shocking for me the ammount of people defending this "game" full of placeholders.

I can't understand how FD released a game with so much "space" to explore without even exploration mechanics LOL.
It has been almost 4 years since the game was released and we still don't have exploration, nor any other core activity overhaul.

FD didn't know what to do with Elite, it was rushed and now's a mess.
The game that FD wanted to play seems a really really boring one.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

im not fdev employee, its not my responsibility to find solutions to where they screwed up, im here to voice my dissatisfcation and i hope people will keep complaining and making theads to keep pushing fdev to do something

Specific criticism would be very helpful. Also pushing doesn't work. It never works.

me and my friends are giggling at amount of fanboys, whiteknights and apologists (one even seem to have made whole thread to somewhat excuse steamcharts) that attacked this thread

oh and yes i know im right from amount of REP im recieving for first post

You got yourself a bit of echo chamber from people who are disappointed with ED. Most of people on forums are disappointed with game. Rest of people just play the game.

Also there are no negative rep for some time on these forums. How do you think people disagreeing with you can 'vote' on your post?

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

The game that FD wanted to play seems a really really boring one.

Or they have different taste or option what is 'interesting' and 'exciting'.

 

[Stigbob]

I no longer believe they are fanbois, instead---paid forum monitors.

CMDR Eagleboy is a fan but is indeed genuine and responds with balance and from a true player's pt of view---which is rare here

Your tinfoil hat is on too tight.

 

[ShimEnki]

im not fdev employee, its not my responsibility to find solutions to where they screwed up, im here to voice my dissatisfcation and i hope people will keep complaining and making theads to keep pushing fdev to do something

FD wont be pushed into creating anything that doesn't align with an agenda that's far too complex to discuss here--but rest assured that agenda has zero to do with entertaining gameplay and finance.

 

[Han Zulu]

Disappointment with elite dangerous is generally increasing.
Comment sections on trailers are getting more and more negative and toxic. (check new trailer comment section)
People dont expect anything great anymore from Fdevs.

https://steamcharts.com/app/359320
Put the time on half year or year, you can see decreasing playerbase in this game after thargoids got released.

Either frontier wakes up, or this game is going to die sooner than they expected.

Many people from player faction im part of are slowly leaving or taking long term breaks, myself included.

I dont think this is the "there will always be unhappy minority" case

And yes, im making this thread, because i want to see other peoples opinions and reactions.

I love Elite, but I had to stop a couple of weeks ago. I need to see some extreme and and amazing improvement to exploration to feel that Elite is coming back to the scene. It has stagnated when it comes to exploration. 400 billion stars, but 100% of game plays is in only 0.0006% of them. I don't want another ship or more weapons and combat mechanics or other enemies to shoot, I want more things to see out there. Out in the deep dark space. I want to find anomalies. Be able to find unique things. After all, even if all players go out and explore, it still would take thousands of years to go to ever single star in the galaxy. Chapter 4 really has to bring it.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

I will bow out, because I don't find these threads productive, but please, let's consider that there are people who truly like game, and people wo don't. As games are entertainment and entertainment is subjective, there are no 100% right or wrong here. However, let's keep it friendly rivalry instead of some Shakespearean drama of Montecchi and Capuleti vibe.

Have fun.

 

[Aaron T]

Star what?

How can you name it here? This isn´t even a thing, but a pay to pay mechanic for years to come.

Just remember: Mr. Braben and Mr. Roberts started their projects at the same time in 2012. One of these is a game and have a past, the other thing is not.

I fell on my knees in front of Frontier every time I think about it, having fun for 5000 hours since the beginning instead of throwing money for useless ships out of the window with very little hope left.

You may have a look...



Carry on Frontier

[heart]

The minute that SC is VR compatible I am in. I will be happy exploring Arc Corp and may never leave that one planet.

As a matter of fact I am going to buy it after the first and use VorpX, although I love ED SC has space legs, awesome ship interiors, and atmosheric worlds we can fly in.

I mayu not like the other details, but I have ED for that.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Oh here we go.

"That's, like, your opinion..man."

Well of course it is. Most discussions would get tiresome if we were required to predicate every expression of an opinion with a disclaimer announcing that it's your opinion. That's not an argument mate.

How then you can differentiate what is getting claimed is fact and what is option? Considering language frequently used?