Modes How to make open attractive to solo players: Mission Rebuy

JohannStrauss

JohannStrauss
CowboyTorry said:
Let's take this fictional scenario an average solo player can encounter when venturing into open play.

Imagine i only have about an hour every so often to play this game. Imagine I love to make my fortune by trading goods between station.
I arrive at this station and take the mission to find some goods for 1.000 K Credits.
After checking EDDB, I find a station 10 jumps away where i can purchase the goods for 500K Credits.

The next half hour I spend 10 jumps to the station, buying the goods and jumping back to the end station. Just as I arrive in the system, another player whether griefing, role playing or just for lulz intercepts me and kills me.

As I respawn, I take measure of my losses:
1. I have to foot a rebuy bill for my ship
2. I have lost for 500K credits worth of goods
3. If i have bad luck, the mission might expire (losing a 1.000 K deal)

Sure I could fly back to the selling station, buy the goods again only to run in the human player again, who can then kill me again, doubling my loses.
But the real loss to me as a player, are not the lost credits, its the lost time. I played this game for half an hour and because of some human player I have nothing to show for my spent time.

No wonder players prefer solo above open, because in solo i am certain that my time will yield some fun.

So how can we assure that solo players don't feel that they waisted their time in open? MISSION REBUY
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You can't.
Because if something like that happens I get so extremely angry, sad and furious that the game fun I maybe had the previous 3 days is entirely lost.

I am honest.

This game becomes toxic to me in open mode where killing other players has basically no consequences. I can not stand it. Literally.
 

JohannStrauss

JohannStrauss
Ziggy Stardust said:
Open, it might make CMDRs check out Open to see and/or take part in the event.
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You still do not understand that having to communicate or having to "take part" in a group-thing real life conversation just to avoid being killed in this game is EXACTLY what makes me HATE the open game.

I do not WANT to be part of a fix group. I do not want to build a wing. I hate having to communicate with other humans just to play this game the way I want to play it.
And by the way I am sure that I am speaking for 1000s of other players who don't even want to write on a forum about this.

Being forced to take part in any group event or group communication is absolutely NO OPTION for me or many, many solo players. Ever.
This makes OPEN game toxic to me.

Get me the most brutal Crime & Punishment in Open game and 100% safe space-lanes and we can talk.
 

TheMegaTurnip

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I'd feel that powerplay based rebuys, or at least rebuy reductions, are a far more sensible way to go about it.

Have it associated with different ranks in powerplay, and change the way merits degrade to a more sensible thing as opposed to a weekly basis madel.

That way it ends up being more of a passive thing as opposed to being able to be abused due to having an open mission in the tab at all times.

JohannStrauss said:
Get me the most brutal Crime & Punishment in Open game and 100% safe space-lanes and we can talk.
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I think you are failing to see that we already have that lol. BECAUSE of people like yourself.

Enjoy your next trip to the IF because you have no control over your gimbal angle. ;)
 

Ziggy Stardust

Ziggy Stardust
JohannStrauss said:
You still do not understand that having to communicate or having to "take part" in a group-thing real life conversation just to avoid being killed in this game is EXACTLY what makes me HATE the open game.

I do not WANT to be part of a fix group. I do not want to build a wing. I hate having to communicate with other humans just to play this game the way I want to play it.
And by the way I am sure that I am speaking for 1000s of other players who don't even want to write on a forum about this.

Being forced to take part in any group event or group communication is absolutely NO OPTION for me or many, many solo players. Ever.
This makes OPEN game toxic to me.

Get me the most brutal Crime & Punishment in Open game and 100% safe space-lanes and we can talk.
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You may want to reread my post.
 

JohannStrauss

JohannStrauss
Cari said:
Aw, looks like we're not going to be talking :(
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Why?
I vote for areas in open game that are very unsafe.
Why do we have low-sec and anarchy systems anyway?

We could even combine the low-sex with very rare goods, great selling/buying opportunities.

But unless we have 100% secure systems in open it will never be an option. For me.
 

JohnnyTwoKettles

JohnnyTwoKettles
Jockey79 said:
Well, perhaps to draw people into open mode (nudging us back on topic :) ) then limit engineering to it's own open instances.
That way open becomes a more level playing field as traders won't end up instanced with over engineered gank ships.
(oh and no PP gear either)
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Sold! to the man riding the horse.
 

Bob Lighthouse

Banned
Bob Lighthouse
JohannStrauss said:
You still do not understand that having to communicate or having to "take part" in a group-thing real life conversation just to avoid being killed in this game is EXACTLY what makes me HATE the open game.

I do not WANT to be part of a fix group. I do not want to build a wing. I hate having to communicate with other humans just to play this game the way I want to play it.
And by the way I am sure that I am speaking for 1000s of other players who don't even want to write on a forum about this.

Being forced to take part in any group event or group communication is absolutely NO OPTION for me or many, many solo players. Ever.
This makes OPEN game toxic to me.

Get me the most brutal Crime & Punishment in Open game and 100% safe space-lanes and we can talk.
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I don't think anyone really cares where you play but just because you don't want to be social, that doesn't make open toxic.
Just stay in solo/pg.

Open is already the most popular mode.
 

znôrt

znôrt
Jockey79 said:
Well, perhaps to draw people into open mode (nudging us back on topic :) ) then limit engineering to it's own open instances.
That way open becomes a more level playing field as traders won't end up instanced with over engineered gank ships.
(oh and no PP gear either)
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JohnnyTwoKettles said:
Sold! to the man riding the horse.
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happy to see this is idea is slowly getting some support!

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/401791-enable-ELITE-OPEN-CLASSIC-mode
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/411623-Elite-Dangerous-Classic
 

JohannStrauss

JohannStrauss
TheMegaTurnip:

"I think you are failing to see that we already have that lol. "

*****


We don't.
In fact we still have nothing at hand at all.

1) The Police (I still love that band) is completely useless. Everybody can kill the Police condas even in non-modded ships.
Griefers and Pirates are not even caring about the police when it pops up.

2) Police arrives in laughable numbers. During my last 11:1 Gang attack on my ship I had 4 police vessels helping me which is a joke.


Elite Crime an Punishment is not existent at Open.
And Frontier does very well know why they kept it that way: the trolls, gangs and griefers in Open are paying their bills.

I can only STRONGLY recommend to NEVER play in open.

Once trolls can only troll trolls Frontier will maybe change things for the better. You can already read some posts here on the board coming from pirates and trolls whining about "how empty open-game is and that they don't have anything to kill anymore".

Excellent. Let the Open game die out. The faster the better.
 

Bob Lighthouse

Banned
Bob Lighthouse
JohannStrauss said:
TheMegaTurnip:

"I think you are failing to see that we already have that lol. "

*****


We don't.
In fact we still have nothing at hand at all.

1) The Police (I still love that band) is completely useless. Everybody can kill the Police condas even in non-modded ships.
Griefers and Pirates are not even caring about the police when it pops up.

2) Police arrives in laughable numbers. During my last 11:1 Gang attack on my ship I had 4 police vessels helping me which is a joke.


Elite Crime an Punishment is not existent at Open.
And Frontier does very well know why they kept it that way: the trolls, gangs and griefers in Open are paying their bills.

I can only STRONGLY recommend to NEVER play in open.

Once trolls can only troll trolls Frontier will maybe change things for the better. You can already read some posts here on the board coming from pirates and trolls whining about "how empty open-game is and that they don't have anything to kill anymore".

Excellent. Let the Open game die out. The faster the better.
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You are delusional.
Open is the most popular mode by far.
No one cares if you don't want to join.
 

JohannStrauss

JohannStrauss
Cari said:
You'll never be playing in Open then. Which is fine, of course - there are two other modes that may be better suited to your play-style.
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Frontier created an OPEN mode with an environment that strongly supports piracy, trolls and crime.
Frontier did this not by accident but out of a financial calculation since MMO's are played by people with a similar motivation no matter which game you look at.
I do not condemn it.
I am sure that the OPEN game is the most popular mode by now. It would be a shame if it was not since Frontier did everything to satisfy the wishes of the clientele.

What makes me angry about this discussion with you, Cari, is that you seem to ignore that we are talking about the OPEN game version we currently have.

We could have a radically different OPEN game if frontier decided to. By now OPEN game is Anarchy-Galaxy. This is the OPEN game version we currently have.
Claiming that I am not suitable for Open game in general is a false assumption. I merely reject the current troll-friendly version of an Open game Frontier is running.

Since you seem to like this current version of the Open game I am OK with it. Many people seem to like it. But do not underestimate the number of people who will never write here or on reddit who are maybe thinking just like me.

Also you may think about the following. If you create an OPEN game that supports trolling, griefing, ganking, piracy then your OPEN game will become an environment full of people who love that exact biotope.

And finally: it is all about the money for frontier. And this is how it should be. After all those people who pay the bills determine how the Game environment should be.
If the majority of players love crime, griefing and ganking, making videos about it on youtube creating 100,000s of views for the Lulz then THIS is how Elite Dangerous will be.

I am fine with it. After all Frontier has to make a financial decision.
 

Bob Lighthouse

Banned
Bob Lighthouse
JohannStrauss said:
Frontier created an OPEN mode with an environment that strongly supports piracy, trolls and crime.
Frontier did this not by accident but out of a financial calculation since MMO's are played by people with a similar motivation no matter which game you look at.
I do not condemn it.
I am sure that the OPEN game is the most popular mode by now. It would be a shame if it was not since Frontier did everything to satisfy the wishes of the clientele.

What makes me angry about this discussion with you, Cari, is that you seem to ignore that we are talking about the OPEN game version we currently have.

We could have a radically different OPEN game if frontier decided to. By now OPEN game is Anarchy-Galaxy. This is the OPEN game version we currently have.
Claiming that I am not suitable for Open game in general is a false assumption. I merely reject the current troll-friendly version of an Open game Frontier is running.

Since you seem to like this current version of the Open game I am OK with it. Many people seem to like it. But do not underestimate the number of people who will never write here or on reddit who are maybe thinking just like me.

Also you may think about the following. If you create an OPEN game that supports trolling, griefing, ganking, piracy then your OPEN game will become an environment full of people who love that exact biotope.

And finally: it is all about the money for frontier. And this is how it should be. After all those people who pay the bills determine how the Game environment should be.
If the majority of players love crime, griefing and ganking, making videos about it on youtube creating 100,000s of views for the Lulz then THIS is how Elite Dangerous will be.

I am fine with it. After all Frontier has to make a financial decision.
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And again, open is the most popular.
 

JohannStrauss

JohannStrauss
Bob Lighthouse said:
You are delusional.
Open is the most popular mode by far.
No one cares if you don't want to join.
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Great that we have about 1 million threads about "why do you not want to play in the open game?" and "Please join the open game".
Or: "Why does nobody want to play open game anymore?"

I was asked to give my opinion. I did. Glad you don't care about my answers.
 

JohannStrauss

JohannStrauss
Bob Lighthouse said:
And again, open is the most popular.
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Did you even read my text? You did not. I said it is.
It is a relatively stable yet slowly declining number of players who love the "anarchy OPEN mode" Frontier gave them.

I say: with a different version of he OPEN game mode frontier could triple or 10-fold the numbers of people who are playing their game - in Open mode and more importantly: in total.
 

Bob Lighthouse

Banned
Bob Lighthouse
JohannStrauss said:
Did you even read my text? You did not. I said it is.
It is a relatively stable yet slowly declining number of players who love the "anarchy OPEN mode" Frontier gave them.

I say: with a different version of he OPEN game mode frontier could triple or 10-fold the numbers of people who are playing their game - in Open mode and more importantly: in total.
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Baloney, it is the most popular mode by far.
Numbers are better than ever according to Sandro.

There is no reason to accommodate any of the solo or pg players, that would be silly.
 
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