Hardware & Technical 2080 Teased

[[VR] optimal_909]

All I want to know, what is the performance upgrade for games like Elite.
I'm not into buying the latest AAA titles, so all that RTX-magic is irrelevant to me.

 

[Jon flint]

RTX2070, 2080 and 2080ti confirmed

$499 for 2070.
$699 for 2080
$999 for 2080ti

September 20th launch.

Alegedly the 2070 is higher performance than the TitanXp.

They're calling it the biggest generational leap so far.

We will see...

 

[[VR] optimal_909]

My worry is indeed what was written before: performance compared when doing ray tracing stuff.
I thought they will use this clever technology to de-noise/upscale older games and achieve far better performance, but there is no confirmation so far.

The technology is impressive, but at this moment it failed to convince me to actually buy one.

 

[Morbad]

Impressive tech demo, despite half of the content being a rehash of previous stuff, but it seems like my discount 1080 Ti will prove to be a wise purchase.

Given that virtually all performance figures being hyped are for RTX games, using new terminology, I'm pretty confident that these parts are going to perform very similarly to Pascal, per clock, per functional unit, in non-RTX content.

So, when the NDAs drop and reviews show up, I'm expecting to see the RTX 2080 (the 700 dollar part) beat the 1080 Ti by 5-10% in non-RTX titles, and by progressively wider margin as you turn up the RTX specific features in RTX games (up to around double 1080 Ti performance when the 2080 starts to dip unto unplayability). RTX 2080 Ti will probably be 30-40% faster than the 1080 Ti in non-RTX stuff.

Fairly good spread of RTX titles, so that will be a plus for early adopters, though it remains to be seen how well the features are implemented in practice and if the performance hit is worthwhile on the RTX 2000 series, let alone anything older.

Anyway, no real surprises so far, other than the founders edition MSRP being 50 bucks higher than I was expecting on the 2070 and 2080 and about 100-150 more than I was expecting on the 2080 Ti.

I thought they will use this clever technology to de-noise/upscale older games and achieve far better performance, but there is no confirmation so far.

They can't do this. The very API this is built around is an extension to D3D12. Older games would have to be ported over and remastered.

 

[[VR] optimal_909]

I was stoked to have the latest tech once for a change, but I can't justify that ridiculous price tag on the 2080ti, and I guess I will be better off with a discount 1080ti than a 2080.
What a waste of opportunity.

 

[Jon flint]

I'm expecting to see the RTX 2080 (the 700 dollar part) beat the 1080 Ti by 5-10% in non-RTX titles, and by progressively wider margin as you turn up the RTX specific features in RTX games (up to around double 1080 Ti performance when the 2080 starts to dip unto unplayability). RTX 2080 Ti will probably be 30-40% faster than the 1080 Ti in non-RTX stuff.

I do hold out some hope that the 2070 will in fact be as powerful as a TitanXp/1080ti in non-RTX stuff, since his wording was exactly the same as the 1070 announcement where he casually threw in "oh, and it's faster than a TitanX(maxwell)".

Price wise, while i wish they were cheaper, I paid around $1190 (£929) for my 1080ti, so I was kind of expecting the top card to be around that mark. No doubt it'll be £999 in the UK rather than the appropriately exchange rate adjusted+VAT £940, we always seem to get a raw deal

*edit* yikes, UK pricing is nuts... £1099!! What the heck Nvidia, how does $999 become £1099??? That's not how the exchange rate works! Source

 

[Morbad]

I do hold out some hope that the 2070 will in fact be as powerful as a TitanXp/1080ti in non-RTX stuff, since his wording was exactly the same as the 1070 announcement where he casually threw in "oh, and it's faster than a TitanX(maxwell)".

The GTX 1070's performance relative to the Titan X was well reflected in it's specs...it had roughly 50% fewer functional units and ~30% less memory bandwidth, but the core was clocked ~60% higher and it got new delta color compression which more than compensated. I'm not seeing a similar parallel with the RTX 2070 vs. GP102.

It's possible the the dynamic boost clocks on Turing are sufficiently high for the RTX 2070 to best the GP102 Pascals, but given the clocks listed, I don't see this as being likely.

Price wise, while i wish they were cheaper, I paid around $1190 (£929) for my 1080ti, so I was kind of expecting the top card to be around that mark. No doubt it'll be £999 in the UK rather than the appropriately exchange rate adjusted+VAT £940.

The US pre-order prices are even higher than the ones in the livestream: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/20-series/

For comparison, my first 1080 Ti a Gigabyte Aorus, cost me $740 almost exactly a year ago, while the MSI 1080 Ti Duke OC I just ordered was $635.

Edit: looks like they sold out of everything except the 2080 in about 45 minutes.

 

[Caramel Clown]

Kinda feel like my 1080ti became obsolete overnight Obviously it's not true, but that's the power of marketing. I want a new toy now...

 

[Morbad]

The images EVGA has up here are quite interesting: https://www.evga.com/precisionx1/

If those are representative of stock clock/temperature curves, it looks like Turing will have very similar clocks to Pascal near typical air cooled operating temps, but ramp up rapidly as the card gets cold.

The apparent auto OC shows 2200MHz, or about 10% more than what was likely with GP102...or 5% more if you take temps into account.

Again, not sure if those are real images of an operational part, or just representations.

 

[Ashnak]

Kinda feel like my 1080ti became obsolete overnight Obviously it's not true, but that's the power of marketing. I want a new toy now...

Can I haz ur stuff?

Not really - running a 1080 right now for VR, and that pretty much maxes out my setup. Upgrading the GPU would mean upgrading the PSU, and then my old CPU would be the bottleneck, changing that would require a new motherboard....

 

[[VR] optimal_909]

I do hold out some hope that the 2070 will in fact be as powerful as a TitanXp/1080ti in non-RTX stuff, since his wording was exactly the same as the 1070 announcement where he casually threw in "oh, and it's faster than a TitanX(maxwell)".

I do not, as Jensen would have probably showed that one off. However, I give them the benefit of doubt, so I will wait for the benchmarks to pull the trigger.

The whole pricing makes it feel like as if it was priced on top of the 10-series, as complementary new top range. Which is okay as long as you get tangible benefits apart of a handful of new games. Like DX12 souping up older games or AI photo function that remasters your 15 year-old 640x480 photos.

Me, at his moment I just want something more adequate than the 1060 6gb for Elite VR.

 

[Frank]

I was thinking about buying a GTX1080 when the new cards cause a price drop. Now I'm now so sure. That RTX2070 looks mighty tempting. The only worry I'd have is this whole thing about constantly updating the AI... mostly for the time it would take, but of course you can never tell something might go wrong.

 

[Caramel Clown]

Those prices are...just wow. I'll definitely stick to 1080ti for now. Considering that introducing ray tracing in gaming will be a slow process most likely, this kind of price increase definitely not worth extra few shadows and reflections in select few titles.
But...really, Nvidia? Over a thousand bucks for a reference card? It's madness.

 

[Asp Explorer]

My Titan X has crawled into a corner, and I think it's crying.

 

[Henkka77]

Suddenly i dont feel so bad anymore, paying 750 euros of my 980Ti 3 years ago..
Now it feels like it was a bargain.

Huge leap indeed..

Spoiler

Oh, and in case someone was mislead by that show as many seems to be, originally that picture was showing only the "huge leap" between Raytracing power, not raw grapichs calculation power. So dont get too hyped about the differences..

 

[Ashnak]

Heise (article in German) has a comparison table. Not too impressive, except for Nvidia's ideas about prices.
https://www.heise.de/newsticker/mel...Beschleuniger-zu-stolzen-Preisen-4142119.html

 

[Patrick_68000]

Those prices are...just wow. I'll definitely stick to 1080ti for now. Considering that introducing ray tracing in gaming will be a slow process most likely, this kind of price increase definitely not worth extra few shadows and reflections in select few titles.
But...really, Nvidia? Over a thousand bucks for a reference card? It's madness.

They live on another planet.

The ray tracing does not justify these prices, and of more it will take several years before the generalization of its implementation in the games.

 

[Patrick_68000]

nvidia has still a lot of 10xx series for sale.

Which explains the exorbitant prices of RTX

 

[amigacooke]

I guess NVidia has a lot of R&D costs to recoup (as well as making a good profit).

Still I'm sure I can rely on those who must have the latest and greatest to pay those for me.

 

[[VR] optimal_909]

nvidia has still a lot of 10xx series for sale.

Which explains the exorbitant prices of RTX

But I can already see a drop of 1080ti pricing on the used market, so it will be an uphill battle to keep Pascal pricing untouched.
I'm inching to grab a 1080ti in the next two weeks. Even if the per core performance of the Turing blows Pascal out of the water, the sheer CUDA count of 1080ti vs 2080 plus the more memory tells me that any performance gain must remain minimal for almost twice the price of a used 1080ti. Hell, I can get a decent monitor from the price difference.