General / Off-Topic Y'all are welcome to hate me for this...
Has no edge and does nothing for you? Good lord man, check your pulse. I think you might be dead.
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Dude, tell me more about this "Star Trek" thing you speak of?
Don't forget Jerri Ryan as the character 'Seven of Nine' (born Annika Hansen, but later captured by The Borg;
https://www.deviantart.com/dave-daring/art/Jeri-Ryan-Seven-of-Nine-XI-495923200
https://www.deviantart.com/dave-daring/art/Jeri-Ryan-Seven-of-Nine-XI-495923200
Neither can I
Theoretically its a show I should love:
Sci-fi
Time Travel
Fun vehicle
British
but I cant stand it at all
Star Trek is good (mostly)!
Star Wars is pretty awful (mostly). Lol
Battlestar Galactica. Brilliant. Looking forward to the new version coming soon™.
The new Lost In Space series is also pretty good.
Couldn't watch The Expanse.
Star Wars is pretty awful (mostly). Lol
Battlestar Galactica. Brilliant. Looking forward to the new version coming soon™.
The new Lost In Space series is also pretty good.
Couldn't watch The Expanse.
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As of Glob's contribution I'm starting to warm up to the franchise.
Being a "trekker" myself, I must say that the franchise sure has it's ups and downs. It's very long franchise after all, comprised of a ton of different shows with separate casts and characters.
I classify them as follow (personal opinion of course):
TV:
Original series: Nice charismatic main characters, but quite poor (it's low budget and from the early sixties... very cheesy, sometimes cringe worthy)
Next Generation: Not my favorite, but quite good overall.
Voyager: Probably the weakest (except for the original series), but not as bad as they make of it.
Deep Space 9. My personal favorite, best stories overall, best overall assortment of secondary characters. Reminds me in times of my favorite scifi show ever, Babylon 5.
Enterprise: Another of my favorites, but the final season was poor.
Movies:
Star Tek (the first one): No big deal.
Wrath of Khan: Not my favorite, but good.
Search for Spock: One of my favorites.
The Voyage Home: Probably the cheesiest and overall one of the worst.
The Final Frontier: So-so, better than A voyage home, but still worst than most.
The Undiscovered Country: My favorite of the bunch. A hidden gem.
Generations: So-so, the transition movie from the Kirk era to the Picard era.
First Contact: Nice
Insurrection: Quite poor.
Nemesis: Pretty, but ultimately just so-so
All the movies by JJ Abrahams: Pretty but junk. JJ completely failed to understand what Star Trek is about, so he made Star Trek movies for Star Wars fans, ending up with a bunch of movies that are as much Star Trek as I am a Galapagos Turtle. Star Trek was never a high paced, acton packed adventure thing, it was a journey of discovery, an exploration of "what-if" scenarios, "how would it be, what would we do", and ultimately a way to explore humanity itself using space travel and other species as an allegory to explore facets of ourselves, a journey of introspection disguised as a journey of discovery.
There is truth in your words.
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Disagree completely with this, Final Frontier was absolutely terrible (A 'god' needing a spaceship to get around wth)
Whereas IV was certainly cheesy, it was a very good execution of one of (if not) first Star Trek time travel tropes and was overall way more enjoyable watching the cast around 80s San Francisco
Overall my favourite Trek movie is First Contact (I think the opening is amazing, and the battle of sector 001 is really well done), probably followed by Undiscovered country (second star to the right...)
Maybe check out some of the top episodes in the 1st and 2nd season of TOS OP. Some of them are classic written by some of the best sci-fi writers back then, and much of the reason why there was even a Star Trek franchise and phenomena to begin with, and the sequel series. And if you liked 2001:ASpaceOdyssey, then ST I:TMP , if you missed it, could do it for you as it has the most focus on the ships and space travel (similar to ED) than any of the other Trek movies.
After the first movie, my favorites would probably be ST3:tsfs, ST2:twok, ST8:fc, ST6:tuc, ST2009 (the only memorable one of the JJ bunch to me). STIV:tvh. For tv, Babylon 5, after TOS. Then maybe TNG, DS9. Discovery is just unrecognizable as ST for me and sadly now run by Kurtzman set on remaking the Trek verse entirely.
After the first movie, my favorites would probably be ST3:tsfs, ST2:twok, ST8:fc, ST6:tuc, ST2009 (the only memorable one of the JJ bunch to me). STIV:tvh. For tv, Babylon 5, after TOS. Then maybe TNG, DS9. Discovery is just unrecognizable as ST for me and sadly now run by Kurtzman set on remaking the Trek verse entirely.
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The original series was great, everything else is pants.
I like sci-fi everything pretty much (probably from growing up on the classic sci-fi books like Clarke, Assimov etc).
I agree original Star Trek is cool, but......just because of when it was made it makes it really hard to suspend disbelief and accept that all the others (apart from Enterprise, which is problem also in the same way) follow on from it in the same time-line. This is all because of how it looks, the original series that is.
So unfortunately when i watch it i always have a problem accepting it's authenticity just because of how it looks (and i felt that back when it was airing on TV still!), as it is SO influenced by the chic of the 60's it almost feels like a parody. Still it was a mighty fine series but i lean towards the stuff that came after (in particular TNG and Voyager) as that just feels more believable.
Anyway i wonder what the OP feels about the current TV series STD? That has plenty of 'teeth' in relation to illogical warmongering and big explosions everywhere, not a notion of diplomacy and grown-up hard decision making (with consequences) anywhere, could be worth a view for them perhaps?
I agree original Star Trek is cool, but......just because of when it was made it makes it really hard to suspend disbelief and accept that all the others (apart from Enterprise, which is problem also in the same way) follow on from it in the same time-line. This is all because of how it looks, the original series that is.
So unfortunately when i watch it i always have a problem accepting it's authenticity just because of how it looks (and i felt that back when it was airing on TV still!), as it is SO influenced by the chic of the 60's it almost feels like a parody. Still it was a mighty fine series but i lean towards the stuff that came after (in particular TNG and Voyager) as that just feels more believable.
Anyway i wonder what the OP feels about the current TV series STD? That has plenty of 'teeth' in relation to illogical warmongering and big explosions everywhere, not a notion of diplomacy and grown-up hard decision making (with consequences) anywhere, could be worth a view for them perhaps?
Agreed that ST8:FC was one of the best ST movies and the best of TNG. The sector 001 battle was probably the best one done in all the movies. Back in those last years where they still used some models with cgi-assist before most movies went overboard CGI-fest. They stopped foolin' around and turned Enterprise-E into a full battleship with probably a terawatt phaser.
Yeah, know what you mean about the 60's dated look. If you watch the best episodes of the 1st & 2nd season and focus on the stories and drama it's a bit easier but still the 60's humor bits and music, etc. is still there. Amazon prime has most of the episodes in the "remastered" format, unfortunately they did the remastered effects too early or cheap , as they kind of look dated today where even the fan made episodes and movies on youtube have often better homemade cgi. Not until the Enterprise-refit in ST I:TMP, did the ship look like a serious hard sci-fi vessel which imo was the best one ever done.
I kind of wished they had actually went through with the proposed "phase II" Star Trek series in the 70's. We only got the first movie in the 70's then everything else in the 80's and later. So the only major 70's sci-fi series we had was Space:1999 which was awesomely cool for much of its 1st season sometimes with a well mixed horror style and bent, and ok with the 2nd season which was more like campy star trek.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/12/27/remembering-star-trek-phase-ii
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/a-can...rom-the-70s-quietly-shaped-every-sequel-since
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First Contact a good movie??
No. Just no.
The entire TNG series of feature films was terribad.
For me, Trek basically ended after DS9. That was the last successful incarnation, different as it was from the established format.
I still enjoyed Enterprise. Not as good as some of the series (surely not as much as DS9 which was my favorite), but still very much Star Trek, even if with a slightly different approach
First Contact a good movie??
No. Just no.
The entire TNG series of feature films was terribad.
For me, Trek basically ended after DS9. That was the last successful incarnation, different as it was from the established format.
DS9 had its moments....but was mostly terribad (is that a word even [where is it]). First Contact is probably the best TNG film, an' I'll poke you with a pointy stick 'till you agree [big grin]
I liked the orignal Dr. Who. You know; the one before it got rebooted?
The new Dr. Who is garbage; predictable, derivative and without any soul what so ever.
You what I mean? Like back in that day?
These guys:
Back in that day the production values/special effects etc. were minimal so the show depended on good stories.
This Dr. Who reboot has the life and imagination of a dead fish, so predictable it's like watching the fish drown in air. Total rubbish.