Are Nvidia having a Laugh??

[777Driver]

Just ordered the 2080Ti, will see what the performance is like. Tbh the amount of money VR has saved me (used to upgrade tripple monitors most years, I have a hell of lot more disposable income for this kinda stuff, will put the 1080Ti in my multi crew PC.

Btw, checked the second hand price for my 1080Ti, it is worth much more than what I paid for it.

 

[Jon flint]

Just ordered the 2080Ti, will see what the performance is like. Tbh the amount of money VR has saved me (used to upgrade tripple monitors most years, I have a hell of lot more disposable income for this kinda stuff, will put the 1080Ti in my multi crew PC.

Btw, checked the second hand price for my 1080Ti, it is worth much more than what I paid for it.

From the slide nvidia just released, it looks like the regular 2080 is as powerful as a 1080ti, hopefully the 2080ti will live up to its high price.

+I'm a bit jealous, checked the UK second hand prices, I'd only get around £300 for my 1080ti if I sold it, about a 3rd of what it cost.

 

[Caldric]

Looks like the typical price of every generation, although the 10 series ti got out of hand and now the e-coin business dropped ridiculous numbers again maybe there will be cards for gamers.

 

[Flimley]

Just watching AdoredTV. Very comprehensive explanation of the RTX technology. Well worth a watch.
[video=youtube_share;CT2o_FpNM4g]https://youtu.be/CT2o_FpNM4g[/video]
Flimley

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

From the slide nvidia just released, it looks like the regular 2080 is as powerful as a 1080ti, hopefully the 2080ti will live up to its high price.

+I'm a bit jealous, checked the UK second hand prices, I'd only get around £300 for my 1080ti if I sold it, about a 3rd of what it cost.

where ever you are looking, look somewhere else!
last night i had 2 offers of £460 rejected for a 1080ti........ in a way i am glad, i think i will go for a 20xx
(that said i will take your 1080ti for £350 - £400 (model depending if you want )

 

[GJ51]

I'm not seeing any major drop in 1080 pricing yet. In fact, if you compare prices at Newegg in the US it looks like 2080 Ti pricing is around $1200 - $1250 and high end 1080Ti cards are still around $800.

It wasn't that long ago that 1080 Ti cards were pushing $1500.

I still think the demand for the new cards is likely going to be weaker than expected which should result in further price reductions. Crypto has taken big hits and depleted a lot of buying power from the equation, and many 10 series users are saying they intend to skip this round. Add to that there are still reports of substantial inventories of 10XX chips still in inventories and it seems more likely than not that we will be looking at declining prices for some time.

Buyers are also waiting for objective performance testing not yet available.

I can't see any compelling reason to make any decisions on this at least until Black Friday

 

[Jon flint]

...(that said i will take your 1080ti for £350 - £400 (model depending if you want )

It's an evga 1080ti sc2, either way, until I see some actual performance benchmarks for the new cards I'm hanging on to it, in fact I'm toying with the idea of picking up a 2nd one and sli-ing just for the hell of it

While not every game supports sli (including elite) but quite a few do, and Nvidia have committed to increasing support for multi gpu, I figure dual 1080ti's should hold their own against a single 2080ti in non RTX games for a good while.

Roll on the benchmarks!

 

[BlackSpaceCowboy]

Why is everyone talking about Ray Tracing when the big news in DLSS?

For VR supersampling is key because of our crappy low res HMD's. The 2080ti has a new supersampling technique that uses the tensor cores to learn how to supersample. The DLSS image is better than current methods of supersample but dramatically more efficient.

In other words, if ED supported DLSS the 2080ti would be 2x as fast as a 1080ti. Can you imagine double the speed of a 1080ti?

This is why I preordered a 2080 ti. For VR supersampling is a big deal. Even without DLSS the 2080 is 50% faster than the 1080.

And FDEV have almost no work to do to enable DLSS. They just request NVIDIA to generate the code for their game.

We should note that NVIDIA will enable DLSS in games for developers for free, if a dev just sends them their code for processing on an NVIDIA DGX supercomputer. NVIDIA will hand back that code, which is reportedly just megabytes in incremental size, and enable the feature in their driver for that game. And, as with anything AI and machine learning, the more you feed the beast, the better it gets at the task at hand moving forward, in this case with a wider swath of game engines and visuals

 

[GJ51]

Here's another good analysis worth reading before making any decision,

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/...cal-by-deliberately-comparing-the-wrong-cards

 

[Gully Foyle]

Dell NVIDIA Tesla V100 GPU, Cust Kit : $25,360.61

Come to the Red side: RX580 8G

 

[Strangepork]

Stay away from cutting edge technology, you'll save yourself a lot of chump-change.

 

[GJ51]

Dell NVIDIA Tesla V100 GPU, Cust Kit : $25,360.61

Come to the Red side: RX580 8G

I'm seriously thinking about that. I don't see me getting much into VR as I don't think I'd tolerate the visual effects very well and wouldn't get into it unless I was able to do an extended trial.

I'm really only concerned about having enough GPU to push a lot of pixels at a reasonable rate. ED isn't terribly GPU demanding, so as long as I can find a card that can push a 38" monitor alongside a 24" or 27" secondary screen I'll have all I need.

Top end Red might be the better option for me.

 

[Dipso]

Why is everyone talking about Ray Tracing when the big news in DLSS?

For VR supersampling is key because of our crappy low res HMD's. The 2080ti has a new supersampling technique that uses the tensor cores to learn how to supersample. The DLSS image is better than current methods of supersample but dramatically more efficient.

In other words, if ED supported DLSS the 2080ti would be 2x as fast as a 1080ti. Can you imagine double the speed of a 1080ti?


This is why I preordered a 2080 ti. For VR supersampling is a big deal. Even without DLSS the 2080 is 50% faster than the 1080.

And FDEV have almost no work to do to enable DLSS. They just request NVIDIA to generate the code for their game.

Hopefully FDEV will do some updates when they revamp the lighting / rendering in Chapter 4. But i'm not holding my breath. They have been notoriously slow to do any real updates to the rendering pipelines (More modern AA techniques like temporal AA for instance would have been nice), and espescially with respect to VR; We could have seen significant improvement to VR performance and quality if they had updated to use the latest API from Oculus. (And probably valve). Hopefully ditching older DX versions and Apple support will free up resources and remove roadblocks for more engine optimization.

I wish they had found a way to supersample just the UI elements separately, that would do wonders in making text readable in VR while keeping perfomance playable. It would make UI elements sharper on pancake systems too.

 

[willisit]

Jayztwocents has a nice bit on this; with the new numbering, also goes the Titan brand - the 2080Ti being the Titan, so cost-wise, these are all in line with previous generational launches. My 1080Ti (15 months old) is still the same price now as it was when I bought it (just prior the the whole mining thing), so I expect the 10 series to see some significant drops once the 20s start hitting the streets (and I'm seeing that now via the usual newsletters).

Ignoring the, albeit lovely, Ray tracing, it's really only important that basic rasterised gaming performance is boosted significantly enough to warrant a purchase. Doubly so for VR (and I'd ignore RT in VR completely for a looooong time). We have no analysis at all yet, so it's obviously worth waiting - and beyond the dozen or so games that use the new tech (RT and the AI stuff), there's probably little point on dropping £1k on a new (ex)Titan if you didn't in the last generation.

VR is fine as is - but I game in 4k when not in a headset, so if that performance increases nicely (real world, not graphs created by Nvidia) then I'll probably get one.

 

[[VR] optimal_909]

Ignoring the, albeit lovely, Ray tracing, it's really only important that basic rasterised gaming performance is boosted significantly enough to warrant a purchase.

Now that's I am not sure about.

nVidia was suspiciously vague about the performance and the comparison charts do look a bit like from a snake oil salesman.

 

[Gortron]

Well put.
Most other articles I have read so far is mostly concerned with dry humping the Nvidia's PR packet rather than asking any questions.

Thing is if say they new 2080 was even on par with a 1080ti or the 2080ti was 15-20% better than 1080ti for non ray traced work would Nvidia would have spent five minutes demonstrating this.

It's quite interesting they didn't even approach the subject.

Most of the YouTube lot are actively telling people to stay away for now:

[video=youtube_share;NeCPvQcKr5Q]https://youtu.be/NeCPvQcKr5Q[/video]

[video=youtube_share;FDnIoWb44ds]https://youtu.be/FDnIoWb44ds[/video]

 

[govny]

Those to blame are the ones buying this overpriced tech, not selling it.

you would have to thanks them.
Where do you think Nvidia take the money needed to make research and improve their video card?
ten years of development to produce a card able to run ray tracing ad a decent frame rate.

 

[TorTorden_VR]

you would have to thanks them.
Where do you think Nvidia take the money needed to make research and improve their video card?
ten years of development to produce a card able to run ray tracing ad a decent frame rate.

Those money actually come from the voulumes of 1050-1070 cards, these cards and this price segment is mostly PR and bragging rights.

 

[Gortron]

you would have to thanks them.
Where do you think Nvidia take the money needed to make research and improve their video card?
ten years of development to produce a card able to run ray tracing ad a decent frame rate.

Not really the price of pretty much everything is governed by Supply and Demand. The reason GPU prices rocketed a few months ago was because there was more demand than there was supply. They stabilized and returned to normal prices when the extreme demand went and there was enough supply.

Nvidia are bound to have R&D priced in and if this is a 10 year effort then they foresaw demand and developed a product to meet a demand. What is wrong at the moment is they have almost no competition so figure they can charge whatever they like and see how it goes. If nobody buys the new products they will have to reduce prices or not sell anything. If enough people buy the new products at the insane prices then they have no incentive to lower the cost.


Currently a boycott of 2080 cards by anyone that likes PC gaming is very justified (that said I have no issue with anyone that has bought one; I just hope most people don't).

 

[TorTorden_VR]

Also this RTX 20 series, is at least for now not meant to replace the 10 Pascal series.

It is replacing/rebranding and expanding on the Titan line-up of cards.

And as always.
Just because something better than a 1080ti exist doesn't mean it is going to be less than it is, or that you need to buy it.