Not IF but WHY discussion around modes in the BGS

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

The community came together to fix it, no toxicity there.

It was pretty toxic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange...ve_enigma_ua_bombed_preventing_completion_of/

even paige had to step in and explain its part of the game.

https://twitter.com/PaigeHHarvey/status/958352851033468928

People are clearly upset, it happens everytime there is a UA bombing. Followed by an outcry of people wanting PVP to mean something so they can defend against it. Then everyone forgets what they said the next day.

It happened before. And it will happen again.

 

[Stigbob]

In fairness there was a huge outcry about the facts surrounding it. However, unless the people that did the UA bombing announced they were going to ahead of time then 90's point is utterly, utterly moot.

The outcry wasn't exactly a surprise though, I'd guess it was exactly what they wanted.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

UAs/TSs don't cause lockdowns.

For your second rant, you have the same opportunity to defend against a BGS attack as the attackers have. It's on the same level playing field already. There are balance issues, but you have equal ability.

You evidently have a lot of misconceptions on the BGS. Your arguments make little sense to those of us who have some understanding of it. Perhaps, if you calmed down, you could put a more coherent argument together. As it is, you seem to be screaming nonsense and random words. It's not helping your cause.

I am aware of that, I think you misunderstood me. You can cause a lockdown and shut down a system with UA's too. Meaning you gotta pull it out of shutdown, before you can pull it out of lockdown. Its happened several times.

 

[Alpenmilch]

It´s not really about Pew pew. I also think, the BGS should only be affected in open. But you could not change the rules and say to any PvE Faction they have to defend their ground with PvP now.


But still:

- The underminer could support up to six Factions against the defender in a System with Missions and choose from them.

- Then you still have the Problem, you could not be sure, what faction they are belong to.

- And even in open you have no guarantee to meet your enemy in the same instance.




My two cent:

- It would be great to have a list of the Top five CMDR supporting any Faction in each tick. This would give Factions more insight and could trigger a competition between CMDRS of the same Faction.​

- Lockdown should not affect any System of a Faction, because it is a too strong weapon for the underminer.

_ It should be less "expensive" to defend against UA bombing.

- Bountys should be handed in like exploration data. You should be able to choose to hand in single kills in different locations.

 

[Stigbob]

It was pretty toxic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange...ve_enigma_ua_bombed_preventing_completion_of/

even paige had to step in and explain its part of the game.

https://twitter.com/PaigeHHarvey/status/958352851033468928

People are clearly upset, it happens everytime there is a UA bombing. Followed by an outcry of people wanting PVP to mean something so they can defend against it. Then everyone forgets what they said the next day.

It happened before. And it will happen again.

Entirely understandable reaction.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

It was pretty toxic.

And then it got fixed using in-game mechanics that aren't limited to a single mode. Which is arguably how it should be.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

And what has that got to do with anything. Unless they publicy shout out that is what they intend to do then there would be no way of stopping them regardless. The public outcry was not that there was a UA bombing it was because of what the Dove Enigma represented.

Pretty on point. You want it to be moot. But it holds weight. Its a BGS activity people get butthurt about because its about affecting other players. Something you said couldnt happen. Which is just wrong.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I am aware of that, I think you misunderstood me. You can cause a lockdown and shut down a system with UA's too. Meaning you gotta pull it out of shutdown, before you can pull it out of lockdown. Its happened several times.

And that created gameplay for people to work towards. It's what the BGS is all about, people creating PvE gameplay for other people.

 

[Parmo]

I said many things...

After all- people who have nothing to hide, have nothing to fear.

Guess what? I don't have a single worry- because I've done nothing to be worried about.

WOW!
In my expereince when people have nothing they worry about having nothing.

I don't have certain skills, like PvP combat, so I worry about coming up against players who do.
I don't have PvP engineered ships so I worry about coming up against players who do.

But I may have mis-interpreted - may be wilfully? - your post.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Entirely understandable reaction.

Not according to Fdev.

Not according to people trying to play the game.

If its understandable to be toxic there. Asking them to remove it instead of playing the game. While calling people all the names in the book.

Just like when powerplayers attack someone else of a different power. Or someone gets attacked for attacking someone during a BGS battle, like that guys video I post about getting greifed and ganked for attacking us.

THEN THERE IS A GIANT GOD DAMN PROBLEM WITH THIS COMMUNITY.

And frontier needs to step up and do something about it.

If thats the terms of being acceptable?

get out of here.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Pretty on point. You want it to be moot. But it holds weight. Its a BGS activity people get butthurt about because its about affecting other players. Something you said couldnt happen. Which is just wrong.

It is still the same principle. I have no issues with UA bombing. I have an issue with the people that decided to try to ruin something, but it ended being something good.

It ended up doing the exact opposite of what those nasty individuals wanted to happen.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

Pretty on point. You want it to be moot. But it holds weight. Its a BGS activity people get butthurt about because its about affecting other players. Something you said couldnt happen. Which is just wrong.

It only affected players emotionally It wasn't like the expedition could no longer dock.

And, like I said, it got fixed using game mechanics that aren't limited to a single mode. Everyone who wanted to help was able to, regardless of platform or mode of choice (or mode forced on them by circumstances).

Your pew-pew needs are largely irrelevant.

 

[Theodrid]

On the Dove Enigma incident,

Why, in your world 90's, is it perfectly okay to be a total spanner with the sole intention of urinating people off but not okay for people to call the muppets out on it after the event?

You don't think the action in and of itself was toxic at all 90's?

 

[Jane Turner]

Pretty on point. You want it to be moot. But it holds weight. Its a BGS activity people get butthurt about because its about affecting other players. Something you said couldnt happen. Which is just wrong.

You'll find that the only experience BGSers who get "butthurt" about UA bombing are those who are on the offence in the affected systems. Its a defender's paradise.

See if you can spot when this system was UA bombed by a supposed enemy
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/405390275909779477/485055508550647841/unknown.png

Not running 2-500 points a day is a wonderful outcome

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

On the Dove Enigma incident,

Why, in your world 90's, is it perfectly okay to be a total spanner with the sole intention of urinating people off but not okay for people to call the muppets out on it after the event?

You don't think the action in and of itself was toxic at all 90's?

There is a difference in playing the game. Rather than crying about how people are sociopaths, ats, threatening bodily harm over a game mechanic.

It happens every single day in this game. There are discord full of toxic people just because they got blown up in a video game. Because they dont understand the game they are playing, even though they know what would happen. And have the option to opt out of it.

That was a BGS attack that explains what we are talking about here. unacceptable behavior out of the game, for in game mechanics.

The player that did it. Did nothing wrong. The reaction and the toxicity that followed before it got handled. totally different story.

And any PVPer out there, thats tried to fight over an objective. Whether it be a CG, BGS, Playerplay, even the salome event.

The bad guy gets sent to the Fdev Forum Padded Psych room while all you fourm PHDers analyze the persons real life behavior.

And thats all okay I guess. We should do that. Instead of playing the game.

 

[Robert Maynard]

THEN THERE IS A GIANT GOD DAMN PROBLEM WITH THIS COMMUNITY.

And frontier needs to step up and do something about it. If thats acceptable.

If there is a problem then it's probably, from the perspective of a player who prefers PvP, the fact that the game has attracted both players that enjoy PvP and those that don't - simply because PvP is not a requirement of the game.

That some players, who prefer PvP, want to restrict particular gameplay to their preferred game-mode is unsurprising - and unsupported by those who don't prefer PvP (and didn't buy a game that requires PvP).

Frontier have started an investigation to see whether there is support from the community regarding making Powerplay an Open Only game feature - needless to say that this has caused both controversy and adulation among disparate subsets of the player-base. At the same time they were quite clear that they were not considering such a change for any other feature (i.e. not for the BGS, CGs, etc.).

We'll see what changes are made to Powerplay - whenever they are made (which seems not to be soon™).

 

[Stigbob]

Not according to Fdev.

Not according to people trying to play the game.

If its understandable to be toxic there. Asking them to remove it instead of playing the game. While calling people all the names in the book.

Just like when powerplayers attack someone else of a different power. Or someone gets attacked for attacking someone during a BGS battle, like that guys video I post about getting greifed and ganked for attacking us.

THEN THERE IS A GIANT GOD DAMN PROBLEM WITH THIS COMMUNITY.

And frontier needs to step up and do something about it.

If thats the terms of being acceptable?

get out of here.

If someone does something very toxic and gets a toxic reaction and then does the victim act about the resultant toxicity the issue is with them.

It's just another reason to have no respect for that sort of player.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

If there is a problem then it's probably, from the perspective of a player who prefers PvP, the fact that the game has attracted both players that enjoy PvP and those that don't - simply because PvP is not a requirement of the game.

That some players, who prefer PvP, want to restrict particular gameplay to their preferred game-mode is unsurprising - and unsupported by to those who don't prefer PvP (and didn't buy a game that requires PvP).

Frontier have started an investigation to see whether there is support from the community regarding making Powerplay an Open Only game feature - needless to say that this has caused both controversy and adulation among disparate subsets of the player-base. At the same time they were quite clear that they were not considering such a change for any other feature (i.e. not for the BGS, CGs, etc.).

We'll see what changes are made to Powerplay - whenever they are made (which seems not to be soon™).

Then you shouldnt get to take PVP objectives.

If you attack a player group. you are attacking their objective. And you should have no problem getting attacked back or shot at over that objective.

They can either give the community the chance to defend themselves. Or remove the ability to affect another player group and let them do the single player co-op thing.

If you want to play in a adversarial way. Its only fair you do it on the same playing field as everyone else.

I am aware of how the game is now, and its ever changing and evolving. This is not something thats out of reach to ask.

As anything is new added to a game that affects groups of players. The rules of engagement must change around it.

We CANNOT continue to use the rules for a single player co-op game against one another.

 

[Theodrid]

There is a difference in playing the game. Rather than crying about how people are sociopaths, ats, threatening bodily harm over a game mechanic.

It happens every single day in this game. There are discord full of toxic people just because they got blown up in a video game. Because they dont understand the game they are playing, even though they know what would happen. And have the option to opt out of it.

That was a BGS attack that explains what we are talking about here. unacceptable behavior out of the game, for in game mechanics.

The player that did it. Did nothing wrong. The reaction and the toxicity that followed before it got handled. totally different story.

And any PVPer out there, thats tried to fight over an objective. Whether it be a CG, BGS, Playerplay, even the salome event.

The bad guy gets sent to the Fdev Forum Padded Psych room while all you fourm PHDers analyze the persons real life behavior.

And thats all okay I guess. We should do that. Instead of playing the game.

What a surprise you took that line of reasoning, whether you like it or not there is at least some degree of difference between the Enigma event and 'muh minor faction'. If people find out about an event such as the Enigma and power up their PC/XBox/PS4 with the sole intention of screwing it up as best they can there is an element of out of game motivation in that. By your logic and line of reasoning it's perfectly okay to shout 'fire' in a crowded cinema but nobody has the right to call those who did it idiots after the event.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

What a surprise you took that line of reasoning, whether you like it or not there is at least some degree of difference between the Enigma event and 'muh minor faction'. If people find out about an event such as the Enigma and power up their PC/XBox/PS4 with the sole intention of screwing it up as best they can there is an element of out of game motivation in that. By your logic and line of reasoning it's perfectly okay to shout 'fire' in a crowded cinema but nobody has the right to call those who did it idiots after the event.

is it okay to call people idiots on these forums though?

or is that only okay when someone roleplays a bad guy using game mechanics?