I've never been wrong
And even with PP not coming in Q4 im still not wrong because this community doesnt understand the difference between priority and delay.
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You misspelled 'right'.
Not IF but WHY discussion around modes in the BGS
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You misspelled 'right'.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
The prophecy has begun.
Did you forget to take your meds this morning?
Yes, I remember this. I applauded it at the time, although I had no interest in either party. It was good to see that a group operating in Open was able to defeat a group operating in a PG, because the usual refrain is "cowards hiding in PG / Solo and I can't do anything about it."
It goes to show that mode is irrelevant - those who employ the most effective tactics and numbers will win a BGS war.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
Very relevant. It showed how relevant it really was actually.
but you guys can spin it all youd like. Go for it fox news. Spin away.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
So, a group in Open was able to win a BGS war with a group in a PG...without firing a single shot?
Do I have that about right?
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
Indeed, and the mobius group stopped because they couldnt figure out who it was. If they went into open they could have.
But because they were happy sticking to their mode. They called off all engagements what so ever.
The reason they stopped was because they got pounded and they didnt know who it was. When they actually had the chance no one else has. A mode everyone has access to for defending themselves. Open. And they never thought about using it.
[video=youtube;Jne9t8sHpUc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jne9t8sHpUc[/video]
TheMegaTurnip
Banned
It most likely will go open only at some point, it's only going to be a matter of time.
Unfortunatly FDev opened the floodgates to this discussion when they said PP would go open only. As much as the idea of direct interaction terrifies some of the community, a healthy online game requires it.
All this tosh about staying true to the "Original idea" is ridicuous as well, things change, games change, open is the most widely used mode, the rest are split between the other two, which is fine. But Devs do tend to concentrate thier efforts in such a way that benifits the masses, not the minorities. Moreover, FDev are going to understand, much better than anyone on here, that having everyone in the same galaxy with no division would be much better for the long term health of the game, and would most likely be the sensible option to progress.
I for one know more than a few players who left the game, becasue and I quote: "It feels dead all the time, where is everyone". The answer, is holed up in PG's and Solo, where they can avoid interaction with the rest of the player base. I think something that gets often failed to mention is that the more players in open, means the odds of you ever being targeted during your BGS moves is made incrementally smaller, simply due to the nature of there being more targets for the ones who want to shoot folks, by its very definition a safer open play for most.
Yes, there will always be the unlucky few who get shot down, but really considering the numbers of people who look for easy kills vs those who don't, it's statistically true that the odds of a rebuy would be reduced massively if everyone was to open BGS, hence killing the biggest fear of the parts of the community who play in solo/PG.
Hence why I'm going to engage in my experiment, I'm betting that because I'm not on PC (Basically like being in a PG for the intent of ths experiment), That said PC faction will never be able to interact with me, nor counteract my moves in the BGS, having no idea of numbers or ships, or methods. 0 influence in one week, then we shall see the results.
Unfortunatly FDev opened the floodgates to this discussion when they said PP would go open only. As much as the idea of direct interaction terrifies some of the community, a healthy online game requires it.
All this tosh about staying true to the "Original idea" is ridicuous as well, things change, games change, open is the most widely used mode, the rest are split between the other two, which is fine. But Devs do tend to concentrate thier efforts in such a way that benifits the masses, not the minorities. Moreover, FDev are going to understand, much better than anyone on here, that having everyone in the same galaxy with no division would be much better for the long term health of the game, and would most likely be the sensible option to progress.
I for one know more than a few players who left the game, becasue and I quote: "It feels dead all the time, where is everyone". The answer, is holed up in PG's and Solo, where they can avoid interaction with the rest of the player base. I think something that gets often failed to mention is that the more players in open, means the odds of you ever being targeted during your BGS moves is made incrementally smaller, simply due to the nature of there being more targets for the ones who want to shoot folks, by its very definition a safer open play for most.
Yes, there will always be the unlucky few who get shot down, but really considering the numbers of people who look for easy kills vs those who don't, it's statistically true that the odds of a rebuy would be reduced massively if everyone was to open BGS, hence killing the biggest fear of the parts of the community who play in solo/PG.
Hence why I'm going to engage in my experiment, I'm betting that because I'm not on PC (Basically like being in a PG for the intent of ths experiment), That said PC faction will never be able to interact with me, nor counteract my moves in the BGS, having no idea of numbers or ships, or methods. 0 influence in one week, then we shall see the results.
Not necessarily - they might have been in a different PG.
But that's besides the point...you've just essentially admitted that it's possible to play the BGS successfully without PvP. Which was always the case and intent.
Did you forget which side you're supposed to be on?
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
.... and one Dev has indicated that Frontier are "well aware" that the majority of players don't get involved in PvP. Hence no need to lock any major content to Open.
Actually, I expect that they realised the folly of locking everyone in the same mode prior to publishing their game design - as it has included the three modes sharing a single galaxy state from the outset.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
LOL, Im completely aware you can fight a BGS war without PVP. I dont know what you're trying to prove here, or the one up on me you think you have. But okay.
You guys around here sure make a really bad case for yourselves about this.
I see you guys fumbling and stumbling over words like crazy. Its okay though.
Whatever makes you guys happy.
TheMegaTurnip
Banned
As I've said, times change.
The amount of discourse over the matter alone is going to be enough to make them reconsider thier decision.
Don't get me wrong, I don't expect a single mode game, but it is logical, much like they are doing with powerplay, to at least halve the amount of influence gained/removed if its done within the confines of a PG or Solo.
Less risk, less reward.
Awesome. Glad we got that sorted as it was all starting to get a bit silly.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Did I miss an announcement as to what Frontier *are* doing to PowerPlay? All we have so far are two Flash Topics regarding an investigation with no guarantee that anything will happen, much less a definite scope and schedule....
.... however we do have a definite statement from Sandro that PowerPlay is the *only* feature being considered for such a change - so that's something positive.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
Remember when I said you guys only listen to what you want to hear. And not what they are telling you. I got a pretty good feeling this forum is about to learn a valuable lesson in the weeks to come.
TheMegaTurnip
Banned
If you do one, the other will be questioned. Hence all the discourse.
I am aware that social interaction utterly terrifies people, but fortunatly, not the majority.
How many times have these Devs (No disrespect) said something and then gone back on it? Quite a few.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
We'll see.
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This is true. Look at the other things that have been repeatedly complained about by a tiny minority on the forum which have been changed by FDev:
Removal of SC and replacement with microjumps
Autopilot
Open Only PowerPlay
The 'grind' in all it's many guises
I'm sure there are countless other examples.
Oh Lordy, here we go again...