What I've learned about griefers/gankers across the board.

[IndigoWyrd]

The funniest part is you have the concept backwards!
You are making an appeal to ignorance.

"People" is plural, btw!

You get an F!

I've needed to get an F for a while, but that's another matter for another forum, on another site.

That little example is called "satire". See Lampooning.

If I can't step back, take a breath and laugh at myself once in a while, I've got a problem.

I say Indigo has an army of pleasure gerbils.

The evidence will accumulate, you'll see!

And for my pleasure, they will invade the seventh planet of your solar system.

 

[Mole HD]

Well, this thread sure got all intellectual like....

 

[IndigoWyrd]

Yet. you can divine their intentions and status without knowing them. Astounding. You should do this for a living...

And how does one get to know a person? By engaging them.
I've engaged a number of people and have learned more than a few things about each of them.

As for intentions - unless someone states them, they can only ever be inferred. We have yet to create an Intentionometer.

 

[Mohrgan]

And how does one get to know a person? By engaging them.
I've engaged a number of people and have learned more than a few things about each of them.

As for intentions - unless someone states them, they can only ever be inferred. We have yet to create an Intentionometer.

Pew Pew is deep. I can feel their rage....

Exactly. So, making statements that require reading their intent is off the table. Thus your whole house of cards falls.

As a wise man once said: "And sometimes a gank is just a gank." - Phisto

(Don't let the citation go to your head Phisto. It's just a rhetorical tool I'm using.)

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

I've needed to get an F for a while, but that's another matter for another forum, on another site.

That little example is called "satire". See Lampooning.

If I can't step back, take a breath and laugh at myself once in a while, I've got a problem.

Ah, the backpedal.

No, you just don't know what you're talking about, and happened to find someone who does!

Can't fool me!

 

[Mohrgan]

Ah, the backpedal.

No, you just don't know what you're talking about, and happened to find someone who does!

Can't fool me!

Let a sleeping dog lie.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

And how does one get to know a person? By engaging them.
I've engaged a number of people and have learned more than a few things about each of them.

As for intentions - unless someone states them, they can only ever be inferred. We have yet to create an Intentionometer.

You can't know that, period.

 

[Freelancer Knux]

Just because a person doesn't understand their own reasons does not mean there are no reasons... why does this sound so familiar? I happen to enjoy trying to understand those reasons. Why? Because the human psyche is interesting to me. Why? Because we're surrounded by people, and understanding them is a means of relating to them, knowing how best to interact with them, and generally fosters good will between them.

When you're talking about times when people can't explain their motivations successfully though, it usually means you're dealing with their subconscious level and that isn't a level of understanding you can reach through the use of a forum.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Let a sleeping dog lie.

Crap on the porch, you get the water hose.

 

[Aaron T]

I've just learned that a big land purchase I've been working on for the last couple years is finally happening. Glorious home on 22 acres in the mountains of Montana. Wonderful news... accept for the fact that the only internet access is some really low rent (as in crummy, capped and slow) microwave dish action. So, my days of griefing, ganking and generally playing in Open are basically over.

Oh well. It's been fun.

Congrats.

 

[Mohrgan]

Here is why I get so fired up about griefers, I broke my neck and I am always in pain, and preparing for missions takes time, time I sit in paiin, but I set a goasl of completing said mission, and I am a goal orinted person.

So any time I spend in this or any other game is time that I could be in less pain in an easy chair, etc, so when the goal is almost complete and some charming griefer takes it all away for nothing it is a waste of my time, my pain, etc...

Now, if I want to rebuild my rep with the faction, I have to painfully grind hours and many missions, because of one griefer having a blast.

I missed this post. I just want to say. I am in nearly the same boat as you. I have had two operations to fuse all but 3 of the vertebrae in my neck, stemming from a broken neck myself. This is coupled with chronic nerve damage and partial paralysis of my right hand. I can sympathize completely. What is helpful to remember is that, just as we can't know an attacker's intent, your attacker can't know your situation. It isn't fair to attribute your pain to an unknowing gamer.

I hope this doesn't come off as moralizing, but I play in a non-PvP Private Group so I don't have to suffer these type of occurrences. Basically I've ceded the open world to the non-broken hammers out there, so I can find a pleasurable way to enjoy E|D.

Best of luck.

 

[Aaron T]

I tend to think that people are closer to their truest self on the internet, since there are no real inhibitions. You can be as mean as you want and get away with it. Such is the curse of internet anonymity. This is one of the reasons that, in many cases, PvP in ED becomes more of a form of cyber-bullying than legitimate gameplay.

Yes, if they are a punk in a game, and in the forum, they are a punk in real life.

 

[Mohrgan]

Yes, if they are a punk in a game, and in the forum, they are a punk in real life.

Not a fair assessment at all. This idea comes from a place of emotion, and cannot be trusted.

 

[Freelancer Knux]

Yes, if they are a punk in a game, and in the forum, they are a punk in real life.

Seriously are you one of the school kids you blamed for griefing?
I hope this post was sarcastic.

 

[Aaron T]

Aaron, I like you. You know I do. At least I feel like we are "friends" on Steam.

I agree with your opinion about the kids who think it is fun blowing up CMDRS just for the LOLs. Who attack for no reason whatsoever except to cause a little misery.

But not everyone who attacks other players in Open is the terrible person you paint them as. Some groups (the one I roll with the most is HALT) follow codes of honor and clear rules of engagement that give the "prey" every opportunity to avoid death.

PvP is a legitimate form of gameplay in ED. If it wasn't, then I'm sure FDev would make it so that we could not damage one another.

Please don't group together with the "murderhobos" etc. legitimate PvPers (assuming you are not so jaded that the term "legitimate PvPers" has any meaning for you). I hope some day that FDev will be able to reliable distinguished between legitimate PvPers and "murderhobos". I am not optimistic however.

Hey there, we are friends for sure.

I said griefing is what I hate, ramming ships on the pads because they can't shoot you in one game, and shooting noobs who do not know what mode they are in, much less that they should upgrade their Sidey ASAP, and crap like that.

I also mentioned that killing folks out in the open is fair play.

I do not lump them all together.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Yes, if they are a punk in a game, and in the forum, they are a punk in real life.

I change my approach as the context changes.
I think I've already proven that.

I am a "black swan" in that case, so your assertion is falsified.

...if one finds one single swan that is not white, deductive logic admits the conclusion that the statement that all swans are white is false.

it is impractical to observe all the swans in the world to verify that they are all white, but one can observe one swan that is not white. This shows the fundamental difference between verifiability and falsifiability.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

 

[Mohrgan]

I change my approach as the context changes.
I think I've already proven that.

I am a "black swan" in that case, so your assertion is falsified.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

Just to back this up. I know a gamer that is a complete griefer in RL. He's manipulative and not to be trusted. He sacrificed his children's development to pursue a selfish desire. But, in Everquest he was/is a hallowed figure for his kindness and generosity. He built that persona to have a place of refuge, and to obtain a self esteem fix. I have had this very discussion with him, and he was unable to defend himself beyond: "You don't know me."

In knowing that an in-game charmer can be a real life toad I can clearly point out one of those 'Black Swans' Bob is going on about.

 

[Valorin]

Mostly it's because I'm bored.

Like, at least in terms of open space, people are so much more willing to complain about how bad ganking and griefing and all this stuff is... and yet none of them take any precaution against it. Do you know how many shieldless traders I got to rip cargo from? How many people preferred to straight-up combat log than to use a modicum of skill to get out of a bind?

In MY experience, people that spend their time complaining about griefers and gankers are so busy complaining they don't take the time to properly equip themselves for a potentially dangerous trip.

It's not about why it is so easy for them to explode ships of other players.

It's simply and only about the intention.

 

[Mohrgan]

It's not about why it is so easy for them to explode ships of other players.

It's simply and only about the intention.

But, you have to accept that simply blowing up ships can't explain intentions, and is acceptable game play, especially in open.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

It's not about why it is so easy for them to explode ships of other players.

It's simply and only about the intention.

The problem is, even if I told you my intention, you could not be sure.
People lie.
We're pretty terrible at reading each other too.

Even good intentions are pretty empty, to be fair.