Modes 1 mission board. 1 mode. Set protected areas for new to mid game players.

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

I could post a number of pertinent quotes from the time that player supported Factions were introduced - however I don't need to, these recent ones from Sandro will do:

Yes that was the topic at hand. powerplay. They aren't talking about anything else.

But trust me when I tell you. The BGS is going to change too. Dont be surprised when it happens. Its very unbalanced at the moment as well.

I really wish you guys wouldnt rely on quotes and play the game to understand that changes will be made to support the things they are trying to give us.

Its like you guys dont have any forethought in your brains what so ever. Its pretty frustrating to watch.

Please use your brains and look at the problems this game has. Or at least try to get involved deep enough to understand them.

Its pretty frustrating people "playing their own way" choose not to experience the all the game has to offer. While continuing to stop and protest changes in parts of the game they arent even a part of.

Its going to get changed and its going to get balanced.

 

[Leper Messiah]

I disagree on your open mode drop/ Elite for single player argument

And so did I in the following sentence in my post, it wasn't serious. It was the same argument but from the other side of the fence to show how unreasonable the ops premise was. FDs biggest headache is trying to capture as big a markert as possible...makes sense financially as it opens up more revenue, but MP and SP players rarely see eye to eye.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Yes that was the topic at hand. powerplay. They aren't talking about anything else.

But trust me when I tell you. The BGS is going to change too. Dont be surprised when it happens. Its very unbalanced at the moment as well.

I really wish you guys wouldnt rely on quotes and play the game to understand that changes will be made to support the things they are trying to give us.

Its like you guys dont have any forethought in your brains what so ever. Its pretty frustrating to watch.

Please use your brains and look at the problems this game has. Or at least try to get involved deep enough to understand them.

Its pretty frustrating people "playing their own way" choose not to experience the all the game has to offer. While continuing to stop and protest changes in parts of the game they arent even a part of.

Quoting the Developer's rather clear stance - made clear in recent statements - shouldn't happen?

I play the game - a game that does not require players to engage in in-the-same-instance PvP.

You hit the nail on the head with "Its pretty frustrating people "playing their own way" choose not to experience the all the game has to offer" - not everyone chooses to engage in the entirely optional play-style that is PvP. Frontier literally designed the game around the fact that there are different play-style preferences - and chose to accommodate those who don't like PvP as well as those who do. One player's play-style preference does not over-ride that of others - most especially when the play-style in question relies on others to take part.

Everyone affects the BGS - and there's no requirement to engage in PvP with respect to supporting a Faction - who isn't engaging in parts of the game?

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Quoting the Developer's rather clear stance - made clear in recent statements - shouldn't happen?

I play the game - a game that does not require players to engage in in-the-same-instance PvP.

You hit the nail on the head with "Its pretty frustrating people "playing their own way" choose not to experience the all the game has to offer" - not everyone chooses to engage in the entirely optional play-style that is PvP. Frontier literally designed the game around the fact that there are different play-style preferences - and chose to accommodate those who don't like PvP as well as those who do.

Everyone affects the BGS - and there's no requirement to engage in PvP with respect to supporting a Faction - who isn't engaging in parts of the game?

I think you're talking yourself in circles at this point.

Nothing is going to stay the same. I dont know what they have planned. But its not going to be what we have now. I think it was quite clear in zacs post major changes to how we play this game is inevitable.

Everything we know now is going to change.

What its going to change into we dont know.

However, there are long standing issues they have been wanting to balance, and you know their quotes even though you dont like them.

We will have to wait and see.

However with changes to crime and punishment based off player interaction, 1 mission board no flipping, Level playing field for engineers and that server I was talking about when tencent(and other hardware/software capabilities) came board months ago, are very telling breadcrumbs to whats in the future.

Please try to look what everything these guys are trying to tell you. Its really not hard to figure out.

Which is why my OP would make sense, and I honestly think this is the direction we are going.

There will be no more modes problem. Simply because they wont exist.

 

[Leper Messiah]

so this is all about powerplay and 5th column activities?

5C stuff happens in reality, clandestine manipulation is a cornerstone of human politics...why should the Elite vision of future humanity be different? But I'm playing devils advocate there as I don't give a rats hairy crack about PP.....but one mode DOES affect me so I'm against that 100%.

But limiting BGS and PP to open is more what the thread idea is about yeah?

 

[Robert Maynard]

This:

Nothing is going to stay the same.

and this:

Everything we know now is going to change.

Suggest knowledge of the scope of changes and are not consistent with this:

What its going to change into we dont know.

You are quite correct - we don't know.

However, there are long standing issues they have been wanting to balance, and you know their quotes even though you dont like them.

We will have to wait and see.

However with changes to crime and punishment based off player interaction, 1 missions board no flipping, Level playing field for engineers and that server I was talking about when tencent came board months ago, are very telling breadcrumbs to whats in the future.

Please try to look what everything these guys are trying to tell you. Its really not hard to figure out.

Regarding "long standing issues", i.e. Powerplay, as that's the only feature where there are, to my knowledge, any Developer quotes regarding possible major change. Those quotes are quite clear to state that Powerplay is considered "uniquely" suited, i.e. it's the *only* feature that is considered to be suited, for an Open only limitation - the BGS, etc. have been specifically excluded from that scope.

Which is why my OP would make sense, and I honestly think this is the direction we are going.

As ever, we'll see.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

You hit the nail on the head with "Its pretty frustrating people "playing their own way" choose not to experience the all the game has to offer" - not everyone chooses to engage in the entirely optional play-style that is PvP. Frontier literally designed the game around the fact that there are different play-style preferences - and chose to accommodate those who don't like PvP as well as those who do.

And again, if not for this, there would be a whole bunch of players who would not have bought the game.

The reason I never got into MMOs is, as a solo player, you are at a great disadvantage to players who operate in groups. If this cannot be avoided, you either become a group's gimp, or you join a group. Now I hate organised gaming groups which have a hierarchy and rules which I have to comply to. Screw that, I am playing a game. I already work 8 hours a day where I have to deal with that crap.

That is why, the moment I heard Elite is going to have a reboot, I was overjoyed, when I found out it was going to be an MMO, I was bummed out, when I read Braben's vision on the MMO he had in mind, overjoyed again. I could play this game on my terms. Fantastic!

Right, back on topic. There's 2 features here which get bunched together when they're completely different beasties. BGS and Powerplay. For Powerplay Frontier had group conflict in mind which involves PvP, after they hadn't but I'll let that slide for now. They tell me they had, fine, they had. So those who are looking for that group conflict involving PvP will be catered for. Ok, not my cup of tea and I am sceptical about it's success, but fine, the more players are catered for the better. If you want group conflict involving PvP, you will get it, if you don't, you can play the BGS.

This is noteworthy by the way. Instead of rejoicing when Frontier caters for you, there's gnashing of teeth there are different types of players in the game. That's just spiteful. Luckily there are many who are happy when Frontier makes PP Open Only and aren't that fanatical when it concerns modes. These are the players who I believe when they say they are looking for a great gaming experience. The mode crusaders can kiss my furry little butt.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

This:



and this:



are not consistent with this:



You are quite correct - we don't know.



Regarding "long standing issues", i.e. Powerplay, as that's the only feature where there are, to my knowledge, any Developer quotes regarding possible major change. Those quotes are quite clear to state that Powerplay is considered "uniquely" suited, i.e. it's the *only* feature that is considered to be suited, for an Open only limitation - the BGS, etc. have been specifically excluded from that scope.



As ever, we'll see.

Its pretty consistent if you pay attention.

But judging by our past arguments and your constant objection to any of this.

You only live in the present and dont think about the things that are coming or changes that need to be made for the features they are giving us in the future.

This game is forever changing and will continue to do so.

I just wish youd pay attention to the things they are doing and saying. And stop trying to twist what they say saying things wont happen.

The more you embrace change and challenge yourself the better this game is.

And right now frontier is indeed working on those changes. Cant wait to see them.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Its pretty consistent if you pay attention.

Relevant quotes would support that argument.

But judging by our past arguments and your constant objection to any of this.

I prefer facts to speculation, i.e. what the Developers *have* explicitly said they are going to do rather than what they haven't.

When speculating I prefer to reference the source statement upon which I am speculating - to permit others to make their own interpretation.

You only live in the present and dont think about the things that are coming or changes that need to be made for the features they are giving us in the future.

Not so. Naturally, opinions vary regarding changes that *need* to be made.

This game is forever changing and will continue to do so.

Indeed.

I just wish youd pay attention to the things they are doing and saying. And stop trying to twist what they say saying things wont happen.

What's being twisted?

The more you embrace change and challenge yourself the better this game is.

It rather depends on what the changes might be and the form of the challenge. For example, some players like PvP but apparently Frontier are well aware that the majority of players don't engage in it. Apparently the majority of players play in Open with Solo and Private Groups both enjoying "significant" populations.

And right now frontier is indeed working on those changes. Cant wait to see them.

Me too - changes that we know are coming and changes that we don't.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Relevant quotes would support that argument.



I prefer facts to speculation, i.e. what the Developers *have* explicitly said they are going to do rather than what they haven't.



Not so.



Indeed.



What's being twisted?



That's one opinion. Some players like PvP, apparently Frontier are well aware that the majority of players don't engage in it though.



Me too - changes that we know are coming and changes that we don't.

So im going to give you the real answer on why a lot of people dont PVP. Based on a little bit of schooling I had and experience in this game.

First lets address the elephant in the room.

People will always do whats efficient. People will start learning the META of any game over time.

Remember when we all got wrecked at a CG when we first started the game? Remember when we could use specific builds for min maxing cargo space and jump range? Whats your lightrange on your explorer ships?

So people min/max the same way in solo and private for the BGS, Like everyone is 1 clicking transactions now. Because its more efficient. You hope the other guys dont know about it.

So if its all about efficiency. Do you really think someone is going to opt into being stopped when you have been fighting over a system for months on end?

HELL NO.
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Okay, now lets talk about the grind and experience you get while playing/ pre-reworked engineers.

This game is pretty drawn out. Its long. Even with the credit fountains people may hit, the rest of the game is pretty lengthy. BGS, Pre Engineers, Material Farming, Credits and ship builds.

But really besides the graphics thats all this game was, until we finally started getting invaded by thargoids(Powerplay was working as intended for a few months until people started getting really competitive and didnt allow themselves to be stopped). It literally died an early death because options were available, its not that people didnt want to get PVP'd.

Pre Engineers and even now for a new player, unlocking them. Farming for them. Ranking them up for the first time is going to take you a while. It took us a while, and I bet it was way different on another account wasnt it? Much faster I bet.

So they drug this game out on purpose. And thats okay. But the majority of the people call this game a mile wide inch deep and they never continue playing it. Because they played it like a single player game not wanting to get "griefed". Which threw the whole game and its development out of wack. The player base did it to themselves and Fdev stuck to it for so long allowing it to happen because thats what people wanted. Even though they knew the whole time what they were delivering was not balanced or working. Sandro tries to speak up about this multiple times over the years.

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Internal changes.

Its no joke this game has been pulled and changed in many different directions. We seen this with the Q4 changes and what the stuff in Zac Vagues post is about.

We see the game being pulled as long time fans of the game. And see there are multitudes of problems they are aware of. But fail to address. I think its really obvious at this point they will be making all those major changes at once for maximum effect so everything works all together. Instead of bits and pieces at a time.

Some things you cant have with out other things complementing it. Thats why things get put on hold. Could be budget or timeframe issues.

Same happened with WoW. Fdev is a growing company, Elite made what they have possible today. The story of frontier developments is a really cool one. They were on their last leg and they are becoming a BEAST.

Over time things will get better. In my experiences watching games grow. WoW and League of Legends for example.

They all suffered from the same things, Crappy balancing, Funding, and use of updated technology when possible.

Were using a lot of OLD STUFF. Sooner or later they will get NEW technology as the game continues to grow. And the problems they are having will solve themselves.
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So there it is. Pretty straight forward. The things I outlined business wise everyone goes through, not just game devs. Oilfield companies whatever. They all have those problems.

Frontier is kicking a lot of butt right now.

And many others that see the game they are trying to deliver. Lots of dudes like the voice of open before I got here. Frontier are indeed building that game we see.

That game is Elite Dangerous.

And its about to git gud.

 

[ZeroAi]

This way your actions depict what types of activities you are involved in.

Everything would still be optional within an area of protection

Once you leave it it could get dangerous and the word no longer applies to rank in a game called elite dangerous.

With one mission board major changes will have to be made to the framework of the game.

No more modes. No more problems.

What you do and where you are is still your choice.

No thanks.

I play in solo when I'm not able to jump on voice comms or won't be playing long enough to wing up.

I play in PG when I just want to play with good friends and not random people

Very happy with the three modes, and the only change I would recommend is a forth - Open PvE

o7

 

[Robert Maynard]

So im going to give you the real answer on why a lot of people dont PVP. Based on a little bit of schooling I had and experience in this game.

That may be true of players who prefer PvP - however, as this game does not require PvP, plenty of players have bought it who don't get involved in PvP, simply because they don't find it to be "fun". Frontier cannot know, for sure, whether any of those players would engage in PvP if it was required - or just quit the game entirely (as we play games for "fun", a term where every one of us has a personal definition, and there's no requirement to play games that we don't find to be fun).

And its about to git gud.

It's already good - and I expect it to get better - for all players, not just those who prefer an optional play-style....

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

That may be true of players who prefer PvP - however, as this game does not require PvP, plenty of players have bought it who don't get involved in PvP, simply because they don't find it to be "fun". Frontier cannot know, for sure, whether any of those players would engage in PvP if it was required - or just quit the game entirely (as we play games for "fun", a term where every one of us has a personal definition, and there's no requirement to play games that we don't find to be fun).



It's already good - and I expect it to get better - for all players, not just those who prefer an optional play-style....

Okay maynard. Some parts wont be optional anymore ok?

Thats just how its going to be.

 

[Captain Willard]

The three modes have been in since the inception of the game.
A single mode game will never happen.
But hey. Feel free to keep beating your head against the engine nacelle.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Okay maynard. Some parts wont be optional anymore ok?

We'll see which ones they are - given that Powerplay is the feature that Frontier consider to be "uniquely" suited to Open only.

Thats just how its going to be.

Citation required, please.

 

[Frank Craft]

Playing in one mode is already implemented in the game.

When you log in you can choose that mode and just hit the appropriate mode button ("Open", "PG", or "Solo") each time. The ingenious thing about this method is you can choose the same mode each time ("one mode") or you can change your mind and choose another mode!

Wasn't it clever of FDev to give players a choice and, you know, attract a wide variety of players and player styles? I'm pretty sure that this cunning strategy contributed to the success of the game that we now see. Probably doesn't make good business sense to change that approach now, does it?

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Playing in one mode is already implemented in the game.

When you log in you can choose that mode and just hit the appropriate mode button ("Open", "PG", or "Solo") each time. The ingenious thing about this method is you can choose the same mode each time ("one mode") or you can change your mind and choose another mode!

Wasn't it clever of FDev to give players a choice and, you know, attract a wide variety of players and player styles? I'm pretty sure that this cunning strategy contributed to the success of the game that we now see. Probably doesn't make good business sense to change that approach now, does it?

I mean we can not do it because 12 kickstarters throw a fit. Leave the game half baked and full of potential never reached because someone doesnt want to get PVP'd in an online vidya game. In parts of the game where people are fighting over objectives and 1 part of the game specifically made for it.

Sure go for it.

You ever see that Twilight Zone episode where the guy has all the time in the world to read books and everyone on earth disappears. Hes the happiest hes ever been because no one could bother him?

Then his glasses broke and he couldnt read a damn thing?

Thats what will happen to this game if they dont make changes. And about 12 kickstarter dudes will be upset because the game never moved forward. And those 12 kickstarter dudes will be sitting there with a broken pair of glasses.

I highly doubt thats going to happen friend.

 

[Robert Maynard]

I mean we can not do it because 12 kickstarters throw a fit.

I'd expect that Frontier won't do it simply because they are "well aware" that the majority of players don't get involved in PvP - in a game that has never been sold as requiring PvP and was consciously designed to accommodate players who don't like PvP.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

I'd expect that Frontier won't do it simply because they are "well aware" that the majority of players don't get involved in PvP - in a game that has never been sold as requiring PvP and was consciously designed to accommodate players who don't like PvP.

Yeah, weve been over that. And Fdev is well aware of why people dont PVP. And its not what you think it is.

Trust me, its not that they dont want to. Its in efficient to do so.

This is what I was talking about.

You really dont seem to get it do you?

People are supposed to be PVPing in this game. Quite a bit actually.

Changes will be made to reflect that.

 

[Captain Willard]

Yeah, weve been over that. And Fdev is well aware of why people dont PVP. And its not what you think it is.

Trust me, its not that they dont want to. Its in efficient to do so.

This is what I was talking about.

You really dont seem to get it do you?

Someone certainly doesn't.