Opinions on combat logging

[Riverside]

I mean. First point, he wasn’t a Novice. Second point, don’t be that guy insinusting im guilty of kickin others out of open. He was wanted, I acted according to my station. He’d still be wanted even if it wasn’t me, I just happened to act first. Third - have you ever tried to hold a communication on Xbox without a keyboard? Not easy. Faster to engage, since most are hostile on there anyways.

Yeah comms on an Xbox probably isn't great, I play on PC.

And I have no complaint about how you choose to play. In a game where you fly a spaceship with shields & guns it really should be expected that someone will shoot at you.

A 5,100Cr bounty is an interdiction & a kill (NPC or player) I think. It's reasonable to assume it could have been a player killer, and ime CLogging when they face any real opposition isn't uncommon. Some people just don't like to lose.

Of course you'd know the answers to all of this if you'd felt able to open comms. The Policeman's most useful tool is their notebook after all


A while back (couple of months ago) I was in a CZ having a hard time. I'd not long joined & it all went bad for me and I hadn't managed to gain the upper hand in the instance yet. I was in my Corvette (I tend to do short session in CZs & swap between several ships for variety). I guess another player saw me enter & joined me in the instance. I didn't even manage an o7 before they opened fire on my weakened shields. They were in a Clipper with beam lasers so I wasn't under any serious threat & of course was fair game in a CZ.

I retracted hardpoints & left them to it (I low waked away). I don't mind being in a war, I don't mind being attacked, but wasn't in the mood to be the content for another player specifically joining to fight me (I am assuming of course) so I left them to it & joined another CZ nearby. A few days later I won the war, and if we choose to believe they were genuinely fighting for the opposing side, my faction crushed them (like 1% influence in their home system crushed). There's more than one way to PvP.

That guy never tried to communicate, before or after but s/he could have done, and I'd have been happy to negotiate. But because s/he just attacked without a word, I squashed their faction like a bug.

 

[Rampant]

I think Fly Auburn is the leader of the CODE. And yes those pansies never take on a CMDR 1v1. They aren't about a fair fight, its about a quick kill with them.

Did I tell ye about the time I played in Open as an experiment and was taken by "the Code" LMAO? My PvE cargo Python had no cargo, and instead of manifest scanning me they simply started shooting as well as 2v1 mass-locked me with a Beluga (17x IIRC) while I kept boosting and occasionally side-stepping with lateral thrusters. By the time the Low Wake timer was about to time out and get me back into Super-Cruise (Low Wake instead of High Wake was deliberate) I had to cancel it because they hadn't scanned me or killed me yet, LOL. (It was an experiment, remember.) It took them a good while to destroy my cargo PvE Python, LOL, much longer than a 17x Low Wake. I could've easily High Waked, Low Waked, or even Menu Logged, but took it to the conclusion of getting destroyed as an experiment to illustrate the poor gameplay than is indulged in by some other players. They wanted cargo, apparently. They didn't even manifest scan me, despite the extended time that I gifted to them. And I didn't even have any cargo. So funny to expose the type of game these groups prefer. If, as you say, they are just about the quick kill, well, that was an abject failure, because it took ages for them to destroy my ship while I snickered at the PA shots, etc. missing me this way and that. I even got a snide message just before being destroyed.
Just one of my "helpful" encounters with PvP players, LOL.

Yours Aye

Mark H

 

[Perseus]

A while back (couple of months ago) I was in a CZ having a hard time. I'd not long joined & it all went bad for me and I hadn't managed to gain the upper hand in the instance yet. I was in my Corvette (I tend to do short session in CZs & swap between several ships for variety). I guess another player saw me enter & joined me in the instance. I didn't even manage an o7 before they opened fire on my weakened shields. They were in a Clipper with beam lasers so I wasn't under any serious threat & of course was fair game in a CZ.

I retracted hardpoints & left them to it (I low waked away). I don't mind being in a war, I don't mind being attacked, but wasn't in the mood to be the content for another player specifically joining to fight me (I am assuming of course) so I left them to it & joined another CZ nearby. A few days later I won the war, and if we choose to believe they were genuinely fighting for the opposing side, my faction crushed them (like 1% influence in their home system crushed). There's more than one way to PvP.

That guy never tried to communicate, before or after but s/he could have done, and I'd have been happy to negotiate. But because s/he just attacked without a word, I squashed their faction like a bug.

You are to be applauded for using your imagination in the context of this encounter. You didn't need the Cmdr to engage you with a rationale - you simply took this opportunity of gameplay, fled the tactical combat legitimately and RPed a strategic victory via the BGS.
I wish more people had the versatility and gumption to embrace the gameplay without demanding to be spoon fed meaning.

 

[Riverside]

You are to be applauded for using your imagination in the context of this encounter. You didn't need the Cmdr to engage you with a rationale - you simply took this opportunity of gameplay, fled the tactical combat legitimately and RPed a strategic victory via the BGS.
I wish more people had the versatility and gumption to embrace the gameplay without demanding to be spoon fed meaning.

tbh I can't really tell whether you're being sarcastic or not but I'll take it as a compliment, thanks

I just play the game, and other players add to my game, they don't have to be in my instance (or even in Open) to do so. Although there is a minor faction in my home system receiving a small amount of support (which I easily outpace) and I would like to try to come to an agreement with them - help them gain a different station or something. Sometimes I wish I could leave a message for them in the main port asking them to contact me.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

This is the thread that never ends, it just goes on and on, my friends. Some people started posting in it not knowing what it was, and they’ll continue posting in it forever just because: This is the thread that never ends, it just goes on and on, my friends. Some people started posting in it not knowing what it was, and they’ll continue posting in it forever just because: ...

but it my opinion remains the same: has no effect on me, so I don’t care. Sure, it’s against the rules, but it’s not my job or responsibility to enforce them, so that’s their problem. I don’t PvP, I don’t care who runs which systems. The BGS doesn’t interest me. So what someone else does... not my problem.

Anybody have a good argument as to why I should care?

The fact you didn’t get to see a space ship go boom isn’t good enough.

 

[Wardonis]

I don't do Combat in this game. Don't even have weapons on any of my ships. If you manage to interdict me I'll task kill before you can turn and face me. Stupid freeking pirates

 

[kilon]

This is the thread that never ends, it just goes on and on, my friends. Some people started posting in it not knowing what it was, and they’ll continue posting in it forever just because: This is the thread that never ends, it just goes on and on, my friends. Some people started posting in it not knowing what it was, and they’ll continue posting in it forever just because: ...

but it my opinion remains the same: has no effect on me, so I don’t care. Sure, it’s against the rules, but it’s not my job or responsibility to enforce them, so that’s their problem. I don’t PvP, I don’t care who runs which systems. The BGS doesn’t interest me. So what someone else does... not my problem.

Anybody have a good argument as to why I should care?

The fact you didn’t get to see a space ship go boom isn’t good enough.

It's a free world, people like to share opinions, some like to read and hear other people opinions, human is a social animal.

You should not care, you dont need to care and you must not care. Caring is optional as is replying to this thread.

Disclaimer : What is not good enough for you does not mean its not good enough for other people. It's scientifically proven after decades of detailed research that people like different things and that sun is rising from the east.

 

[Riverside]

Anybody have a good argument as to why I should care?

If you're still primarily a solo player then only BGS stuff (minor faction influence, powerplay, Community Goals) that's shared will have an effect on you, and if you don't really dip into those activities you won't really notice the effects of this exploit.

In much the same way an explorer far out in the black won't be concerned about the removal of board flipping, and a Power Player won't really have much of an opinion on any changes to exploration.

Clogging has very little effect on me, and I play in open, I do BGS stuff, I regularly come into contact with other players, some of whom no doubt play with more relaxed rules than I impose on myself.

Nevertheless I acknowledge that there is an issue, and it isn't a reaction to danger that the designers allowed for in the game rules. It should be. The player should ideally be motivated to get their ship out of danger before leaving the game, how that is achieved is less important but acknowledging that there is an issue that is important to others even though it may not be important to you, is still important.

 

[Riverside]

I don't do Combat in this game. Don't even have weapons on any of my ships. If you manage to interdict me I'll task kill before you can turn and face me. Stupid freeking pirates

One of the great features about this game is that you can choose who to share your gaming time with, via a black & white list in the game (player block list & group/solo).

If you know you aren't ever going to want to be at risk from (or a potential threat to) another player, several player groups cater for exactly this.

 

[xRebel-Scumx]

Being able to escape any consequence by simply logging off has been the elephant in the room over at fdev towers for years.
It undermines the game too much, its just not Elite:"Dangerous" when you can just cheese any consequences.
Even just simply adding a 30-45 sec timer for attempting to log in combat would go a long way because 15 secs is simply inadequate

 

[IndigoWyrd]

It's a free world, people like to share opinions, some like to read and hear other people opinions, human is a social animal.

You should not care, you dont need to care and you must not care. Caring is optional as is replying to this thread.

Disclaimer : What is not good enough for you does not mean its not good enough for other people. It's scientifically proven after decades of detailed research that people like different things and that sun is rising from the east.

Didn’t say anyone else was required to care or not, like it or not, reply or not.
But this is at least the 11th thread on this topic in the past 2 years that has breeched the 100 page mark with 25-50% of its content from the same people.

Kind of wondering when this topic gets its version of the Hotel California treatment? I propose calling it “Where’s the Kaboom?” It’s long overdue.

[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t9wmWZbr_wQ[/video]

 

[Riverside]

Kind of wondering when this topic gets its version of the Hotel California treatment? I propose calling it “Where’s the Kaboom?” It’s long overdue.

I wonder that too sometimes. But this is essentially a long winded bug report, and game bugs don't usually get their own forum section, they get fixed.

 

[Mohrgan]

Moral indignation over an act in a video game is not only fruitless, but ridiculous. And, it goes both ways, on this subject in particular.

 

[Riverside]

Moral indignation over an act in a video game is not only fruitless, but ridiculous. And, it goes both ways, on this subject in particular.

But one side already has a solution, the other should too.

 

[EXE Sasser]

Combat log, menu log... Still logging. Don't care the reason unless it's fully understandable such as personal stuff or something.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

There is a solution. When someone logs off or disconnects you simply trigger the ship blew up animation to play. Murder hobos and everyone who has been throwing their toys from their prams over this since the first time this happened suddenly calm down. They won. They saw the kaboom. It doesn’t matter that it was fake, they’ll never know the difference.

And logging off, correctly or otherwise is not nor has it ever been a bug. If I couldn’t log off when I was done because this was designed to prevent me from logging off... not only would there be a task kill, followed by an uninstall, but subpoenas, summons and suits. You simply cannot force someone to never log off.

 

[Perseus]

tbh I can't really tell whether you're being sarcastic or not but I'll take it as a compliment, thanks

I just play the game, and other players add to my game, they don't have to be in my instance (or even in Open) to do so. Although there is a minor faction in my home system receiving a small amount of support (which I easily outpace) and I would like to try to come to an agreement with them - help them gain a different station or something. Sometimes I wish I could leave a message for them in the main port asking them to contact me.

I sincerely didn't mean to come across as sarcastic - apologies if I did!

 

[Backelaer]

Murder hobos and everyone who has been throwing their toys from their prams over this since the first time this happened suddenly calm down.

I have a feeling you care a bit more than you let on. Why else belittle one group involved in this discussion?

 

[Riverside]

I have a feeling you care a bit more than you let on. Why else belittle one group involved in this discussion?

If anyone's going to be belittled it might as well be the ones with thicker skins.

You are one of those with thicker skins, aren't you?

 

[Riverside]

I sincerely didn't mean to come across as sarcastic - apologies if I did!

Well then thank you

Where many look to be divisive and controversial because that's somehow cool, I look for the common ground. I have been insulted & raged against far worse than anything Indigowyrd has to say here, by the community I try to help.

Look past the insults and attacks and address the points as they are presented. Sometimes there is nothing to reply to