Nobody is going to supply any useful evidence either way, it's just opinion based on personal experience. JasonBarron has taken the time to get to know some players that PvP, and s/he thinks all their friends are awesome. You have met some players too, and one of your criteria for thinking less of a player is that they don't play the same rules you do.
And of course each of you naturally puts more weight on your own assessment. None of this is a reason to quit playing, just try to avoid players of that type if you know they'll only annoy you. Or stop complaining about what others do that you don't like and be grateful when you find some common ground.
No you misunderstand. I'm not putting more credence in my own experience over others and my "feelings" are not colouring the discussion in any way. Neither am I trying to discredit an individual. Rather I am tackling the argument itself. I am tackling the cold hard facts of the matter that no metrics exist that can confirm or deny that "most PvP players are helpful".
It cannot be proven. Cold hard fact. Therefore the assertion that "most PvP players are helpful" is bull.
Most *might be* helpful. Who knows. But the assertion that "most are helpful", is Bull.
What I *can* comment on is that some of us - including me, I guess - are thinking more in terms of "inside the game", whereas others like JB are invoking some magical realm of outside game influences called "Discord".
They also make the telling distinction of "if you approach a PvP combat player for advice on PvP combat". Which ignores the fact that players like me have absolutely no interest whatsoever in PvP combat. Diddly.
Why on earth would I, or any player who shares my view, go searching, outside the game, for advice on PvP combat? I mean, really? Use some logical analysis here fellas. Exercise that grey muscle a bit more.
I could give you other reasons why it is highly likely that most PvP players are not helpful. This centres around the activity of PvP combat itself, where the players involved are more likely to be highly "competitive" individuals. Many PvP combat-centric players have even used that very same term, unprovoked, to describe themselves. Human nature dictates that the very competitive will most likely withhold information that gives them the competitive edge. It is therefore highly likely for these individuals to be less helpful than individuals of a less competitive nature. That's simple observation of basic human nature. It is a cold hard fact.
What I can't say is that this simple observation, this cold hard fact, *disproves* the original assertion of "most PvP players being helpful". It doesn't disprove it. I know. In cold hard fact land it doesn't. At least I am honest and cognisant of this. Unlike someone who is reaching with their wishful thinking to prove an assertion that cannot be proven here. An assertion that is, in cold hard fact land, bull.
Nothing against the individuals concerned. I'm all about tackling the subject matter itself.
Cheerz with beers, on a rainy Friday afternoon
Mark H
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