Opinions on combat logging
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Bob Lighthouse
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PVErs in PVP threads:
Irony here is that combat loggers are created by griefers.
Griefer will always assert his right to exist, and deny the combat logger his. And the combat logger asserts his right not to be relegated to a Sidewinder.
Just can't decide which of the two groups is the bigger salt mine.
Griefer will always assert his right to exist, and deny the combat logger his. And the combat logger asserts his right not to be relegated to a Sidewinder.
Just can't decide which of the two groups is the bigger salt mine.
I don't have an issue with the 15 second timer. I'm not sure how I feel about increasing it, I don't have enough experience in the matter. I agree the airlift option should be there. I don't call that Combat Logging. CLing is pulling the plug (by any means that's equivalent, force close, whatever).
However, what CMDR Ultra said in the first place was about branding people who flee from combat by non-game methods, and that covers both cases, 15 sec timer and plug pullers, and as I sit and think about that, I agree. Why did you click open if you didn't want the possibility of that? BUT, there are degrees. If you are unreasonably set upon by a horde of gankers with a wafer thin RP reason that just sounds like a load of guff, and they won't let you flee by game methods, go ahead use the 15 sec timer, I won't brand you, that has nothing to do with the kind of gameplay I support. In this case, I could encourage, for the good of the game, people to report such incidents as griefing (if they are). Engaging in battle then doing a brave sir robin of any kind in order to avoid the consequences of losing is not taking your lessons like a man in the context I intended. Logging out on blatant gankers is something else, and while I wouldn't do it, I don't have a big issue with it either.
I think we probably have common ground there if I understood your analogy correctly.
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But are they a 'true' Combat Logger? Apparently only their opinion should count in a thread about Combat Logging
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And you know who in this thread has done anything?
That's fair... I have no experience of either combat logging nor spaceship combat, so I'll drop out of this thread, and would expect that everyone else who's never combat logged to do so too. After all, if you've no experience, then you're making it up.
But are they a 'true' Combat Logger? Apparently only their opinion should count in a thread about Combat Logging
I guess it also depends on whether they use capitol case letters in COMBAT LOG or EXIT a combat scenario with the adjectives 'graceful' or 'ungraceful'.
I've only had arranged, down to a percentage, friendly but competitive encounters with other people to date, but I don't think that precludes me from having an opinion about something that isn't even the sole domain of this game, let alone a certain subset of its players or forum users. The ability to 'disappear' or otherwise use non-canonical methods of exiting pvp combat to avoid the consequences of death is something anyone who plays multiplayer games can have an opinion on, I feel.
There is always a victim/some victims and a perpetrator in a CLog. I'm surprised you haven't considered this.
Please consider the victim in this scenario - the poor players still in the instance. Their experience counts too, doesn't it?
Or maybe, as you said, you have no idea what you're talking about and just have an ingrained bias?
Well, if someone c-logs, they just prove themselves to be a chicken. But, TBH, I don't really care if someone c-logs (and it's nigh impossible to tell if it was due cable yanking, computer crash, power outage, or alien invasion) - wasted ammo etc is easy enough to replace, and I probably had enough fun anyway so a "kill shot" wouldn't made my day better or worse.
Well here's the thing.
The people still in the instance.
If they started the incident then they are not victims Please stop referring to them as such, as that's offensive to the actual victim - usually though not always - the person who felt compelled to leave the game.
Yes I know they could have played solo or in a PG, but for whatever reason they didn't. (or sometimes they did but apparently they can still be attacked and accused). None of this changes the fact that they were attacked by someone who wanted to make them into their content. The aggressor is never the victim, no matter how often they claim otherwise.
And that's totally ok [up]
Modes, Siobhan, the modes. Two of them non open form types. Player choice from the start menu.
I think you need to have a long, hard think about your stereotyping here and bias. They all fall flat with the modes.
The only 'griefing' that exists in this game are from the cheaters and that includes CLoggers in open.
There are many definitions for Griefing but most of them focus on intent.
True - but two wrongs do not make a right.
If the target terminates the session by any means other than the menu then they are behaving as bad as the aggressor in many ways. Assuming we are talking about griefers and gankers here rather than genuine role-playing pirates.
To be honest, I think the whole concept of melding grief with a video game is ridiculous.
I feel grief on extreme loss, like death or the end of a relationship in real life.
As to intent; modes.
If that were correct, Open would be called PvP Mode. Strange it's not, and even in Pgs where PvP isn't allowed, people manage to force it on others, meaning the only way to guarantee to avoid PvP is to play solo.
It's a loophole in the ruleset that means that PvP is always possible (there is no PvP protection in the code so a PvE mode is impossible without a rewrite).
This is abused by those who wish to prove their superiority by victimising weaker players (or non-minmaxed ships). Call it fair play if you like, but you'll never win any hearts and minds.
If you attack a non-combat ship/player and you are flying an optimised combat ship, then you are a coward. No ifs, no buts, just fact.
If a non-combat ship logs out using the menu, then the player has done nothing wrong. If you cry that they have, then you are a coward.
We're only talking about using the menu.
There's nobody here on either side of the argument thinks alt-f4 or equivalent is right... The only problem there is that being p2p its been proven already that one can force another player to disconnect by technical means. The data is available should you wish to look it up.