Touche! The same folks come and diss the ones who know how the game works
It's like Battlestar Galactica - what happened before, will happen again. And again. And again. And ag.....
Modes BGS is a joke, inf should be for open only
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Touche! The same folks come and diss the ones who know how the game works
It's like Battlestar Galactica - what happened before, will happen again. And again. And again. And ag.....
And no one of importance pays attention to this!
Touche! The same folks come and diss the ones who know how the game works
It's like Battlestar Galactica - what happened before, will happen again. And again. And again. And ag.....
And it gets tiring, over and over and over... but hey maybe one day they will learn. Or maybe move on to a game that plays the way they want Elite Dangerous to change to.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
Or maybe all these people that come here understand the game and whats holding it back from features working properly.
But hey nice to see the same people comment and reply to the post I made. Really helps your guys case.
I like how part of this community intentionally holds themselves back from playing the game thats available to them. Thinking they know everything about the game.
Reality is, because of it. You guys really dont understand the game thats in front of you.
All you guys see is the way out of getting shot at.
You dont see the framework, the interaction or the way the game was actually made.
You live behind a wall thinking you know it all. But because you limited yourselves. You really dont know much at all.
Pretty funny how that works isint it?
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"Or maybe all these people that come here understand the game and whats holding it back from features working properly." False, all it has been is a push for removing content for everyone and making that content only available to ONE group... Yours, and a push to make everyone else in the game YOUR content because again.... you can't make your own so you want others to be it for you.
"intentionally holds themselves back from playing the game thats available to them" Falsehood, just because people don't play YOUR way they are not "holding themselves back". They are playing the game that is available to the the way they want to.
"Reality is, because of it. You guys really dont understand the game thats in front of you. " Over and over people, myself included, have demonstrated we fully understand the game that is in front of us.... your issue is that it isn't the game you thought it was when you bought it and you want to change that. Not my fault you screwed up.
"All you guys see is the way out of getting shot at." Again, the only way you look at this is you "think", and I use the term loosely here, that those who oppose your "glorious" Open Only are only looking at a way out of getting shot at. Which is funny since even in PVE people are getting shot at, just in a different way. Also many times not by some who don't want to play a game vs messing the game up for others. You ignore any and every reason why people don't want to PVP and claim falsely that "Just looking for a way out of getting shot at".
"You dont see the framework, the interaction or the way the game was actually made." False we do see all of that and understand how the game was actually made. Notice we are not the ones who are trying to drastically ALTER that framework to make it a different game than it is. That would actually be you that doesn't see the framework, the interaction, or the way the game was actually made.
"You live behind a wall thinking you know it all. But because you limited yourselves. You really dont know much at all." Nope, but nice try. Not PVPing doesn't mean I am "living behind a wall" it just means I don't want to PVP for reasons that have been hashed out before... yet if you want to go down that road again we can since you didn't learn the first time. No limiting at all, playing the way I WANT to... that isn't limiting. Limiting would be allowing people like you to dictate how I play. And I love how you try to discredit what I know about the game to try and make yourself look smarter... so...how have those predictions gone for you?
So again you try to discredit others and all you show is your own issues. But keep banging your head on that Open Only Dreamwall.
What, this game I researched before I bought it;
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous
I fully understand what I paid for, like many others do. Because they explained it during the development process.
Frontier went to great lengths to explain them game, shame you don't have a clue what you were buying and just threw money at something making a bunch of false assumptions.
Because Elite is a great game when people understand what it is and how it works.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
By that account. Something like world of warcraft should have never changed their core mechanics either. Or League of Legends every year.
We're in 2018. Not 1984. Things can change. Games can change. Especially ones like this on a 10+ probably much longer year plan. With Frameworks built around player interaction.
If you'd understand that. And try to be reasonable. Things like letting your birthday get ruined over something small like video game balancing wouldnt be that big of a deal. You let that affect you. No one else.
I think you should be a little more understanding in this nature. And be understanding that games such as this can change from one time period to the next. Its okay things like that change.
Real talk man, no more trolling with each other and circular conversations. Be real about this. And understand things can change.
It would be good for the community and the game.
All I am asking is for you to be reasonable and try to understand there is objective based gameplay here. This has nothing to do with griefing or giving someone a hard time.
It would be no different than a large game board game, or interaction like League.
If you cant get past that. Then sooner or later you'll only have yourself to blame for not being able to adapt and understand some of these things.
And thus, we return to Hotel California.
Hello darkness, my old friend...
Hello darkness, my old friend...
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
When you limit yourselves yes. Its pretty easy to see.
Dismiss it if you'd like.
Its like you're only playing part of the game and not making use of everything they gave us. I dont think thats fair for the people that enjoy all of the game. Simply because a small few decided to limit themselves. That doesnt make sense Ziggy.
Not in any game.
Funny you should mention WoW, I go the latest expansion, reinstalled and logged back in for a nostalgia trip a couple of weeks ago, rolled some new chars, played some of my older ones, guess what there are no 'core changes'. On my newly created chars I did the good old quests in Elwyn and Westfall among others, I did the 'you no take candle' quest, I did Hogger, I cooked Westfall Stew. On my oldies, I levelled, did some unfinished panda gumpf and more and pugged a raid, also did some PVP - enjoyed it all - guess what, no 'core changes'. Sure,. new areas, new raids, new gear and level cap but none of that is 'core' - it is just the normal growth/expansion path that every single bloody game of that type takes. And please don't give me your 'BFA expansion has changed it all' trash again - on fundamental levels it really hasn't and nor will it, you know why? - because Blizzard hit the jackpot by doing what they do and ripping it all up and starting over with 'PVP Utopia mode' ain't on the agenda.
Nor will it be for Elite, Frontier do seriously need to throw PVP a frikkin' bone but the type of things you are after aren't a bone, it's the whole kit, kaboodle and bloody kitchen sink, so dream on 90's, this ain't LoL, DOTA or WoT's, it was never meant to be, never designed to be and never will be.
I hope those that PVP in Elite Dangerous get something relatively meaningful from Frontier sooner rather than later, but significant 'walled off by PVP content' (e.g entire BGS), territorial control and and a pew pew free for all ain't it.
So you have been to Beagle Point?
edit: No wait, ignore that
I'm going to go with this. It's the sensible option
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Who is limiting themselves?
Those who are choosing not to get involved in an entirely optional aspect of the game, or those who insist that everyone else must engage in that optional aspect because it's their preferred play-style?
I am limiting myself Sir!
When I am playing a game, I play the parts that I enjoy, and skip the optional parts I don't enjoy.
Like PvP, which luckily in this game is completely optional.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Indeed - I also play games for enjoyment - and, similarly, eschew the optional bits that I don't enjoy.
Frontier's decision to include Solo and Private Groups (with all three game modes affecting the single galaxy state) means that players can opt whether (or not) to play with other players, on a session by session basis, while still enjoying the game - playing their way (not the way that others might want them to).
Myself play exclusively in open, but FDev idea about free choice of play modes is imo briliant. I can not imagine any reason why they may want change this.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
I don't expect that players' free choice of game mode will be restricted or removed - although there are those who would no doubt be happy if Solo and Private Groups ceased to exist.
What is more often demanded, by some, is that players in Solo and Private Groups should not be able to affect "their" game - forgetting that the BGS belongs to all three game modes (and that the game advertising continues to refer to players in Solo affecting the galaxy).
Then there's Frontier's "yet-to-be-announced" decision that is expected to be made on whether Powerplay will be made either Open only or weighted in favour of players in Open. It is worth noting that Sandro's stance on the limited scope of such a change, i.e. Powerplay only and not for any other game feature, does not appear to have changed between the original Open Play Bonus proposal of March'16 and the more recent Open only / Open Play Bonus proposals of May'18.
It may yet come to pass that the implementation of Powerplay is changed to turn it into the game's meaningful PvP feature (i.e. only able to be affected by players in Open) - however, given the way Sandro has phrased the scope limits for such a change, I very much doubt that such a change would extend beyond Powerplay.
As ever, we'll see, in time, what Frontier decide to do.
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I do not see how they would be able to lock off the BGS to open only.
As I understand it the BGS is what essentially runs the universe, its the basis for the missions, and commodities etc. If you try to make that open only you would have to spend time programming something else for the solo/pg players. And forget about any continuity between modes, so the ability to switch modes would mean you would have to do all the work for your ships etc multiple times.
I dont think FDev would want to program a different system for each mode rewrite the core universe system all over again.
Now PP could lend itself to an Open Only type system, but it would probably have to be removed from affecting or being affected by the BGS, I also do not think there would be a net gain in people involved in PP if it was locked to one mode.
IMO PP needs far more than a mode lock and what has to-date been presented to make it attractive to the larger player base.
As I understand it the BGS is what essentially runs the universe, its the basis for the missions, and commodities etc. If you try to make that open only you would have to spend time programming something else for the solo/pg players. And forget about any continuity between modes, so the ability to switch modes would mean you would have to do all the work for your ships etc multiple times.
I dont think FDev would want to program a different system for each mode rewrite the core universe system all over again.
Now PP could lend itself to an Open Only type system, but it would probably have to be removed from affecting or being affected by the BGS, I also do not think there would be a net gain in people involved in PP if it was locked to one mode.
IMO PP needs far more than a mode lock and what has to-date been presented to make it attractive to the larger player base.
So people who bought the game because they like combat and do what they like "limit" themselves...
Those who love the trade aspect of the game and only do that "limit" themselves...
And those who love to explore and lose themselves out in the black "limit" themselves...
I am sorry but NONE of that washes. All it is, is your new "pet" phrase to try and claim that only those who play YOUR way are the ones who play the only proper way to play Elite Dangerous. News Flash... they aren't. There are a myriad of ways to play this game and the way you play is only part of it. So sorry, keep shoveling, but no one is "limiting" themselves by not playing your way.
There was a discussion on the Space Station 13 forums a while back. A big, pointless pedantic argument about the technicalities of their mafia-in-space game, in which one person was essentially complaining that other people who played the game had friends who also played and this was affecting their in-game interactions (rather than playing this roleplaying game purely tactically regardless of who the other character was) - the discussion went on for ages, and towards the end, one simple statement was made that I've found needs to be printed out in gigantic text on every game community on the face of the planet, especially when the hardcore crowd move in:
The moment you forget that this is a game, a thing we primarily play for fun, is the moment you are out of touch.
So with that, 90s, all your talk of players "limiting" themselves, I have one simple question:
Who the hell do you think you are to tell other players how to spend their free time?
The moment you forget that this is a game, a thing we primarily play for fun, is the moment you are out of touch.
So with that, 90s, all your talk of players "limiting" themselves, I have one simple question:
Who the hell do you think you are to tell other players how to spend their free time?