Ship Affordability Slider (tm).
The Star Citizen Thread v9
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Ship Affordability Slider (tm).
CIG do seem focused at the moment on making a bog standard walk around simulator. I think the Cyberpunk demo gave CR an aneurysm.
Hmm... not sure what to say to that really.
“Lmao”?
Oww, I hope that changes because that sounds really painful. How long does it take to get from the landing pad to 100km altitude?
I'm not going to say anything about the 1fps framerate. I'm sure that is not a design decision, and the developers would prefer a higher framerate. The game is a work in progress. I'm not going to bother commenting on how slow that progress is.
I'm more interested in that 15 minutes travel time. Is that a design decision? Did they look over at Elite and see how much we "enjoy" the long empty minutes waiting to reach our destination? I was hoping there was a small chance that might improve on the way Elite do their travel and have some sort of fast travel option once you've visited a destination.
I'm not saying that they should throw the baby out with the bathwater. Hutton Orbital is something I felt was an achievement to reach, but I can count on two fingers the number of times I've been there.
Then there is this:
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/telemetry
Feast your eyes on the apparently (real time?) updates of what fps and performance people get in game in the PTU (if you can believe the figures).
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/telemetry
Feast your eyes on the apparently (real time?) updates of what fps and performance people get in game in the PTU (if you can believe the figures).
To be fair, CR did say on the livestream that it was only their first pass at the ship prices... and then went and waffled about a ship matrix and the dynamic economy and it all got a bit more wishy-washy and he wasn't actually saying anything with any meaning any more. Nonetheless, they did give some indication these weren't set-in-stone prices. Probably.
Sounds good that they have managed to (by the sound of it) really create a sense of scale; it's something that IMO it took Frontier a while to refine - everything was obviously big, but for a while you had no real references as to how big when it came to starports, outposts etc. With ships you at least usually have a human-sized door or two.
Also sounds like with loads of NPCs and ships around they're at least trying to create that "big city" feeling, which could be a very cool ambience - if they have the gameplay to make it worth spending any time there, of course.
Oof... I was assuming performance would be worse than the existing locations, but needing decimal points for the FPS counter so you can tell what it's actually at...
Oh dear... I figured travel times would be shorter since they were shrinking everything down. Another balance pass to come on QT speeds, presumably...?
Dunno. Long travel times aren't a bad thing imho, they should help with the social scene in the hubs and give a point (both rp-wise and gameplay-wise) to the trips. Look at ED's bubble and its ridiculously short travel times. You're playing on the galactic scale and yet:
"OMG, this planet is totally starving! People are dying! We're desperate! Oh the hunger! Quick, please deliver us food from that agricultural station 3 minutes away to avert planetary disaster!"
Of course, even then some players complain that it takes too long so it all boils down to which player base you decide to cater for (yes, I know, in the case of SC it's all of them...). And while I'm pretty much in the long travel time camp, given multiplayer probhibits time compression, I'd like some interesting travel, not just an Alpha Centauri style point and watch Netflix. If SC is going that way, they'll have to keep pimping minigames though, as while the pilot might be enjoying doing his stuff, passengers are likely going to get bored.
"OMG, this planet is totally starving! People are dying! We're desperate! Oh the hunger! Quick, please deliver us food from that agricultural station 3 minutes away to avert planetary disaster!"
Of course, even then some players complain that it takes too long so it all boils down to which player base you decide to cater for (yes, I know, in the case of SC it's all of them...). And while I'm pretty much in the long travel time camp, given multiplayer probhibits time compression, I'd like some interesting travel, not just an Alpha Centauri style point and watch Netflix. If SC is going that way, they'll have to keep pimping minigames though, as while the pilot might be enjoying doing his stuff, passengers are likely going to get bored.
I believe it quite easily, as it uses average FPS. If you get 50 FPS for 20 minutes of flying in empty universe and 2 FPS for 2 minutes in port before you crash, your average FPS is still 45.6 FPS.
Hmm, I think the would need to extend the bottom left corner of the grid for my GT660M GPU! Alpha isn't for optimisation though, eh?
This is good good for Star Citizen?
As for that performance matrix....does CiG ask for permission to collect client data upon installation of Star Citizen?
Related to travel times - QT could be quicker indeed, but time to orbit for a big planet seems reasonable as there is a speed limit to ships. I am not that shocked about global travel times as these should be taken not lightly given how small the SC "universe" is...
When installing the client you do sign up an EULA, i think they put some provision about data collection, same goes for crash reports they do ask about it.
On another unrelated topic i am burning karma on the SC subreddit pointing out to the cultists that "realism" and "immersion" take quite a hit with sounds in space, and players moving around like Quake/Unreal Tournament characters (without the rocket jump...) or those infinite instant accelerations, or players standing in a ship that cannot feel G forces while the pilot does. They really are rabid here and instead of invoking the Rule of Cool (for sounds in space) they try and push some pseudo science on me..
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@Surefoot
Well "immersion" has different values to different people. If you subject Star Citizen to physical laws and realism then theres almost no immersion left but that evaluation is quite rigid and almost no game today "wins" that apart from a few select points. Go with your gut feeling instead and suddenly immersion can mean lots of things. In Star Citizen I think its undoubtedly Space Legs only that it comes at the price of a game tho I believe people when they say "there is a game in star citizen" only that regardless how you measure it....when it comes to Star Citizen there will be only losers in the end because I dont believe for a second that the possible game at the end is worth the development price. Even people who are only in for the min would have had to wait 7 years minimum (assuming they release 2019) for this game.
Its an interesting topic for discussion but trying to initiate it where you did I m not surprised that you are being heavily downvoted or reported. Nowadays the typical SC defender is so touchy and paranoid that front-loaded testimonies of utter loyalty and love/admiration for the game are ABSOLUTELY required in order to avoid the knee-jerk reactions and even that is no guarantee.
Well "immersion" has different values to different people. If you subject Star Citizen to physical laws and realism then theres almost no immersion left but that evaluation is quite rigid and almost no game today "wins" that apart from a few select points. Go with your gut feeling instead and suddenly immersion can mean lots of things. In Star Citizen I think its undoubtedly Space Legs only that it comes at the price of a game tho I believe people when they say "there is a game in star citizen" only that regardless how you measure it....when it comes to Star Citizen there will be only losers in the end because I dont believe for a second that the possible game at the end is worth the development price. Even people who are only in for the min would have had to wait 7 years minimum (assuming they release 2019) for this game.
Its an interesting topic for discussion but trying to initiate it where you did I m not surprised that you are being heavily downvoted or reported. Nowadays the typical SC defender is so touchy and paranoid that front-loaded testimonies of utter loyalty and love/admiration for the game are ABSOLUTELY required in order to avoid the knee-jerk reactions and even that is no guarantee.
So, you can't load up a Valkyrie with your mates and drop them all off in Loreville at once?
This is a very important point to make. Immersion — at least in discussions related to SC — is an immensely misused term, and the funny thing is that, while what creates immersion will vary a lot from one person to the next, what immersion is is fairly simple to explain.
Immersion is whatever keeps you in the game world. Anything that takes you out of that world; anything that reminds you of what you're doing; anything that shatters that good old suspension of disbelief; anything that kicks you out of that escapism for whatever reason is unimmersive. It has almost zero relation to any kind of realism, much less to visuals and presentation — it has to do with expectation. An experience that behaves in a way that you expect will draw you in; an experience that does not will be jarring and remind you that this is a game will do the exact opposite.
Realism can be utterly ruinous to immersion because reality can be… well… kind of boring, and you don't expect your games to deliver boredom. You expect some affordances and accommodations that cut away some (or, really, huge chunks) of that reality in favour of the fantastic because it's just that much more entertaining and game-like. Even simulations will know not to simulate everything because that takes away from the expectations of being wholly focused on the very specific nitty-gritty detail you want to simulate — everything else is once again chaff. But again, all of that rather depends on what you expect from your game and your simulation, respectively.
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Oh I don't know - I was watching someone livestream the latest SC build last night - very pretty, but mostly standing around - nothing I would recognise as gameplay from any other game.
If they did that it would be the old Freelancer game where we could almost see the entire system with our eyes. At least now the distances feels somewhat astronomical.
That said...Hurston is a SMALL system which means there will be far longer travel times. But AFAIK there are apparently (or rather is planned, will one day become something) of in-system jump points as "short cuts" which would be quite nice.
I would tend to agree, but the space legs player movement is so unrealistic that it immediately kills this feeling. Instant accelerations, huge spring loaded jumps, instant changes of direction.. When watching the SC streams with a lot of people moving around, it's like one of these accelerated scenes from Benny Hill. It's arguably funny in the latter, not really immersive though... Immersion, yeah that would be the Thief series, that would be System Shock series, that would be SOMA..
Yeah that's sad because it's a rich topic. Space is actually noisy ! But noises come from different sources like your own ship or whatever is hitting on it. ISS is notoriously very noisy. I think that someone ought to try it in a space sim, as Battlestar Galactica proved it creates a fantastic mood and atmosphere in a sci-fi series. KSP had space noise too and it's a bit sad given how realistic it could get (with some mods)...
My 1200+ hours on ultra realistic modded KSP and a lot of hours on DCS kinda disagree. It creates a longer, deeper game experience by creating a richer environment, whose parameters you will not exhaust in mere seconds.. Also, in that context (Star Citizen) i was promised the "BDSSE" in which there is "simulator". I was not expecting GTA-in-space unless you want to twist the language and call GTA a driving simulator..
I expect the promised flight model to fix at least the ship flying part by adding some piloting skills to the mix, but the player character movement is still killing it for me, i am seeing a FPS game not a simulation. (i did play FPS games a lot, and generally like them, but that's beside the point)