Are people okay with "space fog"?

Stigbob

Stigbob
Wokawidget said:
Flies like a brick though! :( (unengineered)
...and the view is obscured by the two pointy bits at the front of the ship, like horse blinkers, and the glass canopy is ruined by the large headrest on the seat so when in VR this stops you looking over your shoulders :(

Edit: and yes, I love the space frog.
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Same internal sizes as the FDL, so I'll never try it unengineered I'll just transfer all my G5 bits straight across.
 

Cmdr Snuffler

Cmdr Snuffler
Doesn't space fog some with space lightning? Not seen that in the beta yet.

Stigbob said:
Same internal sizes as the FDL, so I'll never try it unengineered I'll just transfer all my G5 bits straight across.
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I wiped my save about 6-8 weeks back and the beta account didn't have enough credits/ship modules to do this :(
Had to wipe beta save to get 1m credits to even buy and test them. Full bins full of all engineering mats, but engineers are all locked due to beta wipe so cannot even test blueprints. Booo-hisssss
 

Morbad

Morbad
Lily from anim.o.v.e said:
consider how fast a station orbits a planet or asteroids orbit a planet in the belt. Would the fog really stay stationary relative to them?
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Whatever it's made out of would disperse as it's particles collided with eachother, but it would have the same momentum as whatever produced it and there would be no difference if the station was stationary relative to a planet/belt or moving at enormous velocity.

Stealthie said:
That's 1920 x 1080 "High" settings.
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Volumetrics have major changes at ultra...might be worth a look.
 

Cmdr Snuffler

Cmdr Snuffler
Morbad said:
Whatever it's made out of would disperse as it's particles collided with eachother
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They would stick together using electromagnetic force, that's how the universe was made. Electromagnetic > gravity when dealing with fine particles and atoms...and for lore reasons maybe the stations man made gravity keeps these clumps hanging around rather than drifting away.
 

Kaybe

Kaybe
If by fog, you mean actual water vapor, then obviously no. But if you mean 'fog' in the sense of a cloud of pulverized rocks, then sure. Don't see why not.
 

Noctover

Noctover
Stealthie said:
'fraid not. [sad]

That's 1920 x 1080 "High" settings.

It'd look better if there was more "blending", I suppose.
As it is, it's blatantly obvious that your ship is a different "layer" which doesn't have the same effects applied to it as the "outside world" does.

If I'm flying something like an Annie or Corvette, I can see the nose of my ship perfectly but the "fog" will be obscuring a structure that the nose of the ship is actually touching.

I'd also be happier with it if it looked like there was a reason for it; if, say, there were vents where it was thicker or, perhaps, the exhausts from a power station.
As it is, it just looks like somebody just said "Hey, let's bung some fog in here!", to me at least.
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Yep id say exactly that it just looks placed on top not blended in thats pretty rough. Im all for fog just hope they make it atmospheric and dont leave it like that :).
 

[VR] Mad Mike

[VR] Mad Mike
i like it.... is it realistic? probably not but given the massive concessions some of us have had to put up with in the interests of simplity, i think i will happily take some of the "good" stuff and happily embrace space being a little more exciting on the eye even if the reality is not so "impressive".

i think of it more as space dust :)
 

Aashenfox

Aashenfox
Guys, it's a blues and rock bar, that is onionhead smoke vented from the 6438 dance floors and mosh pits, and from the 292742 personal cabins, and it must stay. Very immersive! And to those who wondered if the fog should stay with the station instead of slowly creating a smoke ring around the orbit... The fog would stay exactly in place relative to the station unless acted on by another force, although ships passing through it, over decades, or even centuries, might be enough, with enough onionhead smoke, to create a ring around the whole planet.
 

Lily from anim.o.v.e

Lily from anim.o.v.e
Morbad said:
Whatever it's made out of would disperse as it's particles collided with eachother, but it would have the same momentum as whatever produced it and there would be no difference if the station was stationary relative to a planet/belt or moving at enormous velocity.



Volumetrics have major changes at ultra...might be worth a look.
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See thats why I find this fog unbelievable, the fog would disperse rather quickly, as unlike a dust explosion on earth, without air the dispersion woul continue rather quickly dissolving the fog. And then the momentum might stick, but those going towards the planet or those drifiting away will quickly be goen as they change their orbit. And a higher orbit requies less speed while acloser needs more, which dosn't comes form the momentum.

i thinkl a dust explosion or cloud at such a location would kinda start smearing along.
 

Aashenfox

Aashenfox
Lily from anim.o.v.e said:
See thats why I find this fog unbelievable, the fog would disperse rather quickly, as unlike a dust explosion on earth, without air the dispersion woul continue rather quickly dissolving the fog. And then the momentum might stick, but those going towards the planet or those drifiting away will quickly be goen as they change their orbit. And a higher orbit requies less speed while acloser needs more, which dosn't comes form the momentum.
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I assumed it was being constantly generated by the bar, do you think it's a static cloud? In either case, you're right, it would slowly dissipate but that dissipation would be in all directions, so the dissipation in and of itself wouldn't contribute to any ring of fog around the planet, just cause it to slowly disappear assuming no more was generated.

edit: Actually it would dissipate mostly in the direction of the nearest gravity well (potentially the station itself, though I doubt it would have enough mass), probably towards the body it orbits, again this kind of dissipation would have no visual effect.
 
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Lily from anim.o.v.e

Lily from anim.o.v.e
Aashenfox said:
I assumed it was being constantly generated by the bar, do you think it's a static cloud? In either case, you're right, it would slowly dissipate but that dissipation would be in all directions, so the dissipation in and of itself wouldn't contribute to any ring of fog around the planet, just cause it to slowly disappear assuming no more was generated.
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I do think a ring would actually form, because those lowering the orbit beyond having a stable orbit would drop onto the planet, those driftingaway from the planet would disperse into space. and all those keeping a stable orbit would over time accumulate (of the station constantly emits fog) starting to produce a denser kind of dust/fog ring
 

Aashenfox

Aashenfox
Lily from anim.o.v.e said:
I do think a ring would actually form, because those lowering the orbit beyond having a stable orbit would drop onto the planet, those driftingaway from the planet would disperse into space. and all those keeping a stable orbit would over time accumulate (of the station constantly emits fog) starting to produce a denser kind of dust/fog ring
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Possibly, but I believe that every path of dissipation leads to failed orbit, since they were emitted with force from something that was in a stable orbit and are therefore all travelling at a different speed in a different direction. Basically I believe it would be too few, without the action of ships causing disruption. That might lead to a ring over a very long time, as that external force of a ship pushing through the cloud may put a few of those particles BACK into a stable orbit.

I'm going with centuries of onionhead consumption AND ship movements to achieve something visible. :)
 

Stealthie

Stealthie
To clarify, I'm not averse to the idea of fog/smoke/particulate matter in space.

I just think that what I saw earlier was kind of halfassed.
I seems way too... I dunno... like somebody's just stuck a big blob of grey on-screen, it just doesn't look good.

If there were vents where you could see it belching out, and if there were visible particles in it, and if it swirled visibly as you flew through it, and if lights reflected off it I'd be positively awestruck.

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It looks kind of like they were storing all the beige that was removed from the galaxy in that station and some of it is leaking back out again. [where is it]
 

Archvillain

Archvillain
the fog would disperse rather quickly
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Presumably at least part of the fog is coming from the belt, both particulates and gases - rocks grinding, outgassing, movement from constant temperature differential on shaded vs lit side etc. So even without the station there, you might expect the belt to be generating "fog", with fog density being the equilibrium point between dispersal and generation.

I don't think there's any scientific reason to say there wouldn't be "fog". What the fog looks like and how much to exaggerate that would be more of an artistic choice.
 
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