Bob Lighthouse
Banned
LOL, the screenshots are in the beginning of this thread.
I'll await you rolling better as you claimed.
State of balancing grandfathered Plasma Accelerators?
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LOL, the screenshots are in the beginning of this thread.
I'll await you rolling better as you claimed.
Bob Lighthouse
Banned
On the PS4 it will be a level playing field because you will never spawn with those that have weapons with an unintended balance advantage.
On the PC, FD should just nerf the older weapons already... but only after fixing the mess they are making of exploration.
PS4 predates 3.0.
That was the end of those PAs.
You are wrong.
Please stop making up stuff.
Lets see your proof then.
Bob Lighthouse
Banned
You said you can roll better than those.
It's an extraordinary claim because those rolls are better than the current engineering allows.
I don't have to prove diddly squat.
Burden of proof is in your court.
Bob Lighthouse
Banned
I'll even do one better, I will go back in time.
Here is me planning to roll them back in February:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6377988&viewfull=1#post6377988
Here is me planning to roll them back in February:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6377988&viewfull=1#post6377988
Are you confusing me with someone else ?.
I don't have to prove diddly squat.
best solution: add -~30% distributor and -~30% thermal loads experimental (2 separate effects), we all get more outfitting options, guys who made gazillion rolls retain god weapons (maybe they deserve it after making those gazillion rolls), and we not buff most popular pvp weapon, everybody happy(?)
Bob Lighthouse
Banned
Don't change those, I'd have to bump up to class 6 for my cutter.
In that case, the PS4 player's statement is false - which is what I was responding to, so if anyone is "making stuff up" it is them.
As for the legacy OP PAs... nerf them already.
Bob Lighthouse
Banned
In that case, the PS4 player's statement is false - which is what I was responding to, so if anyone is "making stuff up" it is them.
As for the legacy OP PAs... nerf them already.
I don't know what player you are referring to but your statement is false.
I have a Cutter with a c5 shield gen too.
In that case, the PS4 player's statement is false - which is what I was responding to, so if anyone is "making stuff up" it is them.
As for the legacy OP PAs... nerf them already.
Do you want me to go in game and screenshot the C5 Shield Generator in my Cutter?
Sounds like it'd clear up this misunderstanding quicker than arguing back and fourth about it for another page and a half.
No, me and you just have different subjective opinions of what "better" means in this context.
For me as a non min-maxer its an overall assessment of engineering V2 condensed into one word, including things like ease of acquisition utility standardization and my lack of reliance on or attachment to individual modules.
For you its just a single on paper stat, which you call "rolls" as you had to grind to get it.
I never mentioned rolls as I never ground at it.
Just see post #440 - the person I responded to (Autoculto) was who my original comment was directed at based on their assertion that the PS4 users did not have a chance to gain access to the OP PAs or other legacy engineered kit.
It is however true that PC, PS4, and XB1 gamers do not spawn with each other.
Regardless of platform(s) it impacts, FD should just nerf the legacy kit in some balanced but not completely capability disabling way and be done with it. It is however IMO a lower priority matter than other things in my books.
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I like a few legendary weapons in the game. Leave them be - I don't even have any.
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My V2 long range PA's never seem to cause me any overheating anyway, I've also just switched them to phasing sequence because I felt it and its easy under V2.
My V2 long range PA's never seem to cause me any overheating anyway, I've also just switched them to phasing sequence because I felt it and its easy under V2.
The problem is that the OP weapons/kit some are referring to are more akin to an exploit than Legendary Weapons in the traditional MMO context. It comes down to the perception that they result in unfairly unbalanced PvP in the main environment and gives some CMDRs essentially what is seen as an unfair advantage in that context.
In the case of non-weapon kit, the notional advantages are moot in the main - on balance the new engineering standard can result in consistently better performing kit. There are some edge cases that allow for some particularly unusual builds but on the whole with some rework of the build a better performance is probably achievable with the newer engineering standards. I have not run all the numbers on that score but based on my experience the mainstream cases are better performing with the new standards.
In the case of weapons, there are some legacy edge cases that were obviously not meant to be part of the balance standard and while FD have reasonably allowed them to persist they should probably nerf them in some way to ensure a reasonable sense of balance in the PvP context.
None of that matters to me. They did the work, they it did earlier. They now have legendary weapons. Good. I hope I meet them sometime.
The game doesn't have to be fair.
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It may not matter to you but it does to at least some PvPers, though I think their complaint is more to do with being unable to achieve certain builds in the new system than objecting to the existence of the OP other weapons.
BTW they are not true legendary weapons, I think calling them that is a perversion of the reality of the current situation.
The key point here is that FD fixed engineering balance with the new system but left some edge case loopholes behind.
How about this for a proposal though - if anyone hits the rebuy screen, any grandfathered kit on board at the time will be either auto-converted (in the case of some kit that may mean replacing with a cheaper but higher grade version - a refund on the difference in monetary cost could be issued where deemed appropriate) OR lost (without refund of monetary cost/materials).
Why not? They are talked about endlessly and rarely seen - they must be legendary.