Troodon and Dilophosaur Poison

[RadicalEdward2]

I recently discovered that Troodons can inflict a Poison status but, from what I'm seen in a fight between a Troodon and a Dilophosaurus, the Dilophosaurus have be poisoned but, not Troodon (via Dilophosaurus spit).

Was a poison effect applied to Dilophosaurus poison yet or is it just a matter of the Troodon being immune to Dilophosaurus poison?

 

[MarcWP]

I recently discovered that Troodons can inflict a Poison status but, from what I'm seen in a fight between a Troodon and a Dilophosaurus, the Dilophosaurus have be poisoned but, not Troodon (via Dilophosaurus spit).

Was a poison effect applied to Dilophosaurus poison yet or is it just a matter of the Troodon being immune to Dilophosaurus poison?

As far as I know, the Dilo has never been poisonous in the game... It can spit, but nothing happens. Same with it's bite. It doesn't make any sense to me, but alright.

 

[Steggs]

Hi RadicalEdward2,

The Troodon is the only dinosaur in game that has the ability to poison other creatures, that would be why the Dilophosaurus was poisoned but the Troodon wasn't.

 

[LordTrilobite]

Hi RadicalEdward2,

The Troodon is the only dinosaur in game that has the ability to poison other creatures, that would be why the Dilophosaurus was poisoned but the Troodon wasn't.

Are any plans for adding venom to Dilophosaurus in the future?

 

[satch]

Are any plans for adding venom to Dilophosaurus in the future?

Two reasons I think no, because it would have been so easy when it added as mechanic for Troodon to throw in for the Dilo, it would have been done already. The second, at least so far they don't seem keen on adding any additional things to particular dinosaurs.

But I really hope they do, and it should hunt everything by the spitting method

 

[Spam1985]

One problem is, if you rework a dinosaur it could have unforeseen consequences in the campaign missions. Remember on Isla Muerta we had a mission to force a fight between a Velociraptor and a Dilophosaurus? Now the Velociraptor is going to get poisoned, probably kill the Dilophosaurus (as per usual) and then both dinosaurs are dead. Mission failed.

Maybe it could be an added gene that makes the Dilophosaurus venomous? Like with the I-Rex camouflage?

 

[mattaquatics]

Two reasons I think no, because it would have been so easy when it added as mechanic for Troodon to throw in for the Dilo, it would have been done already. The second, at least so far they don't seem keen on adding any additional things to particular dinosaurs.

But I really hope they do, and it should hunt everything by the spitting method

To be fair, I think they should add the mechanic to the game, however, it is important to remember the Dilo's venom is not the same. Troodon's is meant to actually slowly kill the victom, but the Dilo's venom caused specifically: Blindness, and eventual paralysis. NOT death. So if they wanted to add new injuries and sicknesses to the game like Paralysis and blindness, then they could make that happen. So the Dilo fights the raptor. If the raptor kills it before the venom takes full effect, then the Raptor would slowly become paralyzed, until your rangers could heal it. Blindless could be interested also, as it coudl cause the animal to flee from the fight, and basically go into a panic where it tries to escape from the fences because it can't see.

 

[PCMR4Life]

It's actually venom. Also the Dilo wasn't venomous. It's spit supposedly caused blindness. This is what is said in the book and kind of alluded to in the movie. At least it's not venomous in the since that it bites something and it's transferred into the preys blood stream. The Dilo relies on blinding it's prey. So I guess they would need a blinded status. Any guess or Dinosaur effected could stumble around like they can't see. But that would be a lot of animation work. Guests stumble and fall over anyway so you couldn't tell. Maye you could with other Dinosaurs.


The Dilo could even spit at the gyrosphere.

 

[satch]

I don't think they need to be that specific, it is not necessary to work in a blindness status, especially compared to the fact that it is shown an animation that does absolutely nothing, anything would be an improvement. Any game it was in, it was just damaging poison, including JPOG.

Honestly I dont think they are going to refer to the book for anything anymore, unless its a popular and known part of the movie fandom as well

 

[MarcWP]

It's actually venom. Also the Dilo wasn't venomous. It's spit supposedly caused blindness. This is what is said in the book and kind of alluded to in the movie. At least it's not venomous in the since that it bites something and it's transferred into the preys blood stream. The Dilo relies on blinding it's prey.

"Dilophosaurus, " the tape said, "is one of the earliest carnivorous dinosaurs. Scientists
thought their jaw muscles were too weak to kill prey, and imagined they were primarily
scavengers. But now we know they are poisonous."

"Dilophosaurus secretes a hematotoxin from glands in its mouth. Unconsciousness follows within minutes of a bite. The
dinosaur will then finish the victim off at its leisure - making Dilophosaurus a beautiful but deadly
addition to the animals you see here at Jurassic Park."

That's a direct quote from the novel. Venomous and poisonous are basically the same thing. The difference is a poisonous animal doesn't need to bite the victim to use it's venom. It could be spitting or releasing venom from other parts of the body... Fish and frogs can be poisonous through skin coating or with stingers... A venomous animal can only transfer venom through bites. And since the Dilo has glands in its mouth, it can actually utilize both. So yes they are venomous through bites, as the quote in the novel states.

 

[mattaquatics]

"Dilophosaurus, " the tape said, "is one of the earliest carnivorous dinosaurs. Scientists
thought their jaw muscles were too weak to kill prey, and imagined they were primarily
scavengers. But now we know they are poisonous."

"Dilophosaurus secretes a hematotoxin from glands in its mouth. Unconsciousness follows within minutes of a bite. The
dinosaur will then finish the victim off at its leisure - making Dilophosaurus a beautiful but deadly
addition to the animals you see here at Jurassic Park."

That's a direct quote from the novel. Venomous and poisonous are basically the same thing. The difference is a poisonous animal doesn't need to bite the victim to use it's venom. It could be spitting or releasing venom from other parts of the body... Fish and frogs can be poisonous through skin coating or with stingers... A venomous animal can only transfer venom through bites. And since the Dilo has glands in its mouth, it can actually utilize both. So yes they are venomous through bites, as the quote in the novel states.

YES. And I WANT MORE> I want skin coatings or stingers. I want to see them add these kind of defenses not just to carnivores, but some Herbivores as well that may have naturally had some means of protecting themselves from carnivores. It makes sense with the science of the movies and books, but also just based on Natural evolution also.

 

[PCMR4Life]

"Dilophosaurus, " the tape said, "is one of the earliest carnivorous dinosaurs. Scientists
thought their jaw muscles were too weak to kill prey, and imagined they were primarily
scavengers. But now we know they are poisonous."

"Dilophosaurus secretes a hematotoxin from glands in its mouth. Unconsciousness follows within minutes of a bite. The
dinosaur will then finish the victim off at its leisure - making Dilophosaurus a beautiful but deadly
addition to the animals you see here at Jurassic Park."

That's a direct quote from the novel. Venomous and poisonous are basically the same thing. The difference is a poisonous animal doesn't need to bite the victim to use it's venom. It could be spitting or releasing venom from other parts of the body... Fish and frogs can be poisonous through skin coating or with stingers... A venomous animal can only transfer venom through bites. And since the Dilo has glands in its mouth, it can actually utilize both. So yes they are venomous through bites, as the quote in the novel states.

The game is based on the movies and the first movie never went into that level of detail about the Dilo.

 

[Phantomreaver85]

The game is based on the movies and the first movie never went into that level of detail about the Dilo.

The game is based on movies.....on movies that are based on the book lol.

And yes the first movie did in fact state they were poisonous, it didn't state the poison would kill but taking the fact that the poison is strong enough to affect through skin contact it is reasonable to assume it is a very, very potent poison. Which while may not necrotise tissue like most venoms do but it would probably stop heart and lung function from the paralysis killing the prey anyway (if it was in fact poisonous in real life)

Also as stated in this very game the dilo unlike most carnivores lacks binocular vision which means his aim would be really poor so aiming for the eyes would be very impractical borderline impossible which is why I said through skin contact.

So there's no real reason he couldn't have a poison or paralysis effect except for maybe causing problems with the campaign missions.

 

[MarcWP]

The game is based on the movies and the first movie never went into that level of detail about the Dilo.

Well you wrote it wasn't venomous? You get the info about venom both in the book and the movie. There's absolutely no reason, why the venom shouldn't have an effect in the game. It just doesn't make sense... If it can spit venom, it'll transfer venom through bite as well. Like all other poisonous animals, with venom glands...

 

[Winterwalker]

Well you wrote it wasn't venomous? You get the info about venom both in the book and the movie. There's absolutely no reason, why the venom shouldn't have an effect in the game. It just doesn't make sense... If it can spit venom, it'll transfer venom through bite as well. Like all other poisonous animals, with venom glands...

Just to be pedantic there's a difference between venomous and poisonous.
Poisonous is something that kills you, when you bite it.
Venomous is is something that kills you, when it bites you.

Strictly speaking, Troodons invenomate. "Your Dinosaur X has been invenomated" [up]

 

[MarcWP]

Just to be pedantic there's a difference between venomous and poisonous.
Poisonous is something that kills you, when you bite it.
Venomous is is something that kills you, when it bites you.

Strictly speaking, Troodons invenomate. "Your Dinosaur X has been invenomated" [up]

That's not necessarily true mate. Venomous is from a bite, yes, but poisonous doesn't only have to be when you bite it. The spitting cobra is poisonous for example. Because it doesn't need to inject venom from a bite. This is what I wrote earlier:

"Venomous and poisonous are basically the same thing. The difference is a poisonous animal doesn't need to bite the victim to use it's venom. It could be spitting or releasing venom from other parts of the body... Fish and frogs can be poisonous through skin coating or with stingers... A venomous animal can only transfer venom through bites. And since the Dilo has glands in its mouth, it can actually utilize both. So yes they are venomous through bites, as the quote in the novel states. "

 

[Phantomreaver85]

That's not necessarily true mate. Venomous is from a bite, yes, but poisonous doesn't only have to be when you bite it. The spitting cobra is poisonous for example. Because it doesn't need to inject venom from a bite. This is what I wrote earlier:

"Venomous and poisonous are basically the same thing. The difference is a poisonous animal doesn't need to bite the victim to use it's venom. It could be spitting or releasing venom from other parts of the body... Fish and frogs can be poisonous through skin coating or with stingers... A venomous animal can only transfer venom through bites. And since the Dilo has glands in its mouth, it can actually utilize both. So yes they are venomous through bites, as the quote in the novel states. "

After reading more on the subject the only true difference between venomous and poisonous is how it enters the body and how the animal uses it. If it can be tranfered through touch or ingestion, it is poisonous and if it is transferred by injection, even a bee stinger, it is considered venomous.

Also because of the method used a venomous animal can choose when to use its venom as a defense but a poisonous animal is always poisonous. So dilo would actually probably be considered venomous as he can control the release of it (at least in the movie). The best way to put it is that venom is an active defense/offense mechanism able to be controlled by the creature and poison is just a passive defense the animal has no control over.

Either way in the context of the movie and game theres no good reason dilo should not have a poison effect if troodon does.

 

[PCMR4Life]

The game is based on movies.....on movies that are based on the book lol.

And yes the first movie did in fact state they were poisonous, it didn't state the poison would kill but taking the fact that the poison is strong enough to affect through skin contact it is reasonable to assume it is a very, very potent poison. Which while may not necrotise tissue like most venoms do but it would probably stop heart and lung function from the paralysis killing the prey anyway (if it was in fact poisonous in real life)

Also as stated in this very game the dilo unlike most carnivores lacks binocular vision which means his aim would be really poor so aiming for the eyes would be very impractical borderline impossible which is why I said through skin contact.

So there's no real reason he couldn't have a poison or paralysis effect except for maybe causing problems with the campaign missions.

Loosely based on the books. Other than JP the other movies don't have much in them from the books. Lost World isn't anything like the novel. JP is the only movie that manages to capture some aspects from the first novel.

 

[MarcWP]

Loosely based on the books. Other than JP the other movies don't have much in them from the books. Lost World isn't anything like the novel. JP is the only movie that manages to capture some aspects from the first novel.

The whole scenario with loose dinosaurs on Site B comes from the second novel. It's an abandoned InGen operation island. The same dinosaurs feature pretty much. The Rex pair with the juvenile. Raptors in the long grass... Even the RV trailer and high hide. And the entire plot with a second group coming to bring dinosaurs off the island is also from the book. It's just Biosyn instead of InGen. Sarah Harding and Ian Malcolm feature in the book and has engaged in an earlier relationship, like in the movie.

The juvenile Rex breaks its leg, just like in the movie, and they bring it back to the trailers as well. The attack from the Rexes that pushes the trailer over the cliff is ALSO from the book.

So "The Lost World" movie is based just as much on the novel as the first movie is, if not more.

 

[Phantomreaver85]

Loosely based on the books. Other than JP the other movies don't have much in them from the books. Lost World isn't anything like the novel. JP is the only movie that manages to capture some aspects from the first novel.

It really doesn't matter how loosely or closely they are based on the books. BOTH mediums specifically state that the dilophasaurs in the jurassic park/world universe are poisonous (even though it would actually be classified venomous).