Squadrons and carriers

[babelfisch]

People putting the word "sim" next to Elite are loosing credibility at the same time. Elite ? A sim ? Seriously....A space game, that I agree.

It's how the genre is called. Space sim. Everyone knows that space sims are not simulators, it's the correct term for games like Elite, Freelancer, Freespace etc.

Yes. I am their client (or the analogous equivalent for a continually developed game). Not sure why you find the equivalence too abstract to comprehend.

Are you going to present an argument now that Fdev owe no duty of communication and delivery of announced contet to the player base? Because that would be a very detrimental approach for a game developer to take.

The term you are looking for is consumer. And again, since you didn't pay anything for carriers you are not entitled to get anything.

 

[babelfisch]

For me i think it would. My main focus of play is around player group activites. I'm not interested in building a fleet of ships, mining or exploration. So the carrier would have really moved the game forward. It means my FDL would transport with the group and act as a short range fighter- my role in the group. If I had known 6 months ago it was going to be cancelled I'd have quit then as it would have been clear the game has no legs left for me. Again, the biggest frustration is that FDev monitor these forums. They know people like me (and I'm not alone) were looking forward to this and planning around it. It feels like they thought "should we tell them? Nah, as long as they think it's coming they'll keep buying paintjobs like good little suckers".

So 6 months would've been OK but 3 months are not? I'd say that's a pretty short timeframe for such a huge difference in reception.

 

[babelfisch]

They didn't. I'm reading between the lines. If it was planned for later release the PR savvy thing would have been to advise that it would be released later. Then when they observed the fallout and frustration they would have advised that it's still planned but will be later. However, if it's cancelled it makes sense for them not to say it explicitly but let dome speculation continue that it may arrive. It's not planned to be brought into the game, evidently.

That doesn't sound like carriers are cancelled.

As for the Fleet carriers and ice planets, it's still too early to talk about how or when they would be making their way into the game. We'll be talking more about "beyond, Beyond" sometime after the Chapter Four update is released.

 

[Enderby]

That doesn't sound like carriers are cancelled.

Lol that quote from zac could be read any way you’d like

 

[babelfisch]

Lol that quote from zac could be read any way you’d like

Well I didn't say Fleet Carriers will come next month, but it doesn't sound like they abandoned the idea completely either.

 

[Vasious]

You invested in the company? How much if I may ask?

over 300 euro

Did those shares come with a dividend of "Fleet Carriers in ED"?

 

[babelfisch]

just start playing no mans sky instead after more than 2000 hours on elite (like me) since those devs seem to care more these days/



over 300 euro

15 cents per hour sounds like a good 'investment'. Just imagine you invested in beer instead.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

The fact that this is still -by far- the best space sim ever developed invalidates any complaint about their business model.

And about carriers... the failure was telling people they were coming in the first place. If they don't tell anything... failure. If they tell... failure too. It's not easy developing a game like this and keeping people happy.

Hate to break it to you, but as a Sim, Take on Mars blows Elite away. All the way away.
Elite is as much a "Space Sim", as GTA is a City Life sim, perhaps a bit less.

But as a Space Game, yes, Elite is lightyears ahead of pretty much everything else. It doesn't have the no-pressure, your-own-pace of NMS, nor the Just-Six-More-Hours-of-Grind-to-Make-an-Isk of EvE, nor the Story of Mass Effect, the ambiance and action of Dead Space, the creative Construction of Empyrion, but hey, nothing's perfect, or there wouldn't be anything else now would there?

 

[lenna]

Hate to break it to you, but as a Sim, Take on Mars blows Elite away. All the way away.

Take on Mars is very focused and limited in scope (focused on one planet - MARS) - ED by comparison is much broader (modelling the entire milky-way).

Comparing the two is a bit like comparing BF with C&C - it's a chalk and cheese situation.

ED is still a space sim, just not in the same way as say KSP or TOM.

 

[ilo]

I'd like to have a reason to return...hence why I check in here periodically. As yet, nothing has presented itself.

If carriers would be included in beyond, then you've found find something else to comment about, be honest

 

[DeletedUser191218]

15 cents per hour sounds like a good 'investment'. Just imagine you invested in beer instead.

Here we have a white knight. Your opinion has no credibility as your entire raison d'etre is to defend everything about FDev and ED regardless of what it is. The best approach is to continue letting you shout into the void while carrying on the conversation around you. You disagree with the complaints and your view has been presented. Nonetheless, my opinion of my experience is more valid than your opinion of my experience.

If carriers would be included in beyond, then you've found find something else to comment about, be honest

So far it's not entirely clear what you're actually attempting to contribute to this conversation.

 

[ilo]

So far it's not entirely clear what you're actually attempting to contribute to this conversation.

Closing it, to give space for something really useful.

 

[DeletedUser191218]

Closing it, to give space for something really useful.

Nope. You still have me lost.

 

[Braandlin]

"Indefinitely delayed". I'm imagining what my company clients would say if we were to give them that line in respect of their investment returns. The standards FDev are held to are very, very low.

Except your investment clients are paying for a return they have not yet received.
Frontier are selling a product you chose to buy. If Fdev never released another piece of software for elite then the only people that would have any kind of investment loss are the LEP buyers.

Before you start making snide attacks it would be good if you got your analogies straight.

 

[Braandlin]

Here we have a white knight. Your opinion has no credibility as your entire raison d'etre is to defend everything about FDev and ED regardless of what it is. The best approach is to continue letting you shout into the void while carrying on the conversation around you. You disagree with the complaints and your view has been presented. Nonetheless, my opinion of my experience is more valid than your opinion of my experience.

Whilst your credibility is to throw out insults?

Having an opinion, whether it is positive or negative towards the game is your prerogative, as it is for everyone here. Being arrogant crass and petulant is not.

 

[ilo]

Nope. You still have me lost.

ok, I'll get you this. You have been told carriers was postponed and not cancelled, something you could have found yourself if you googled: carriers delayed.

Since this was your only concern, feel free to report the post to a mod so it can be closed now (I know it is not your post, but you stole it pretty good tbh).

 

[DeletedUser191218]

ok, I'll get you this. You have been told carriers was postponed and not cancelled, something you could have found yourself if you googled: carriers delayed.

Since this was your only concern, feel free to report the post to a mod so it can be closed now (I know it is not your post, but you stole it pretty good tbh).

Can you show me the statement from FDev saying it's only been delayed?

 

[lenna]

Can you show me the statement from FDev saying it's only been delayed?

To be fair, we ONLY know for certain that Carriers are not part of 3.x updates. We do not know any more than that.

 

[DeletedUser191218]

Except your investment clients are paying for a return they have not yet received.
Frontier are selling a product you chose to buy. If Fdev never released another piece of software for elite then the only people that would have any kind of investment loss are the LEP buyers.

Before you start making snide attacks it would be good if you got your analogies straight.

Actually they aren't. A return isn't guaranteed. But if not provided they still aren't going to be pleased. If, in my industry, we say to people "well we didn't promise you a return we just said we INTENDED to give you one" it doesn't wash. Perhaps I expect similar standards elsewhere and am dissapointed when I don't see them.

As I've already said, if people are still buying shipkits and paintjobs I don't blame FDev for not really delivering. They don't have to so why spend money on resource when you can make money from failing to produce content?

 

[ilo]

Can you show me the statement from FDev saying it's only been delayed?

some elements of content such as Ice Planets (...) and Fleet Carriers for squadrons will not be coming as part of the Beyond – Chapter Four update. .... However, we wanted you to be aware that these two elements specifically would be reprioritised out of the upcoming Beyond - Chapter Four update.

we can show you this 20 times and still you would not believe it.

now, can you show me the statement from FDev that it was cancelled? Im sure you cant.