I feel empty after the beta
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oh carp! I thought that was exactly what they did.... i must have miss read it in the patch notes!. (i have not actually tested the last build of beta which is when i thought it was fixed.
in which case perhaps i was wrong and that is one, pita, feature which is potentially still in the game then
Well I didn't test it either, maybe someone else did?
You're just unpaid beta tester. Not a game designer. Doing labour without compensation tends to sap people's motivation.
You're a volunteer beta tester. Volunteering increases people's self-esteem and builds community. if you don't choose the volunteer then that's cool too!
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Gone are the days of kickstarter and community working together with devs. Never get too acquainted with customers, it is bad for business.
Fewer and fewer the cmdrs who played original elite will get....
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Just by taking part in the Beta, you are contributing to the game's evaluation at the FD end. You are playing the game your way, and that tests everything (even the servers) when you are part of the larger contribution of all players in Beta.
They've thanked us numerous times and, to be honest, would not run a Beta at all if they didn't benefit from watching how people play and what comments they offer. Just don't expect personal attention when so many are making diverse comments.
They've thanked us numerous times and, to be honest, would not run a Beta at all if they didn't benefit from watching how people play and what comments they offer. Just don't expect personal attention when so many are making diverse comments.
I do wish Frontier was much more communicative during their betas. I do testing in other games for other developer betas where the devs post and discuss daily with the testers about suggestions, directions on what to test, aspects the new features are trying to accomplish, etc. Communication during a beta helps the testers tremendously, without it the testers are like blind children in caves trying to find their way out, which is very much how Elite Dangerous betas often feel. This is due to a lack of two way communication.
Oddly enough the Frontier beta bug forums get a lot of communication from the QA team, the QA devs post often in there. The beta suggestion and feedback forums go largely silent from Frontiers end for some reason, and it does hurt the beta period's effectiveness quite a bit.
I wish it was a better situation.
Oddly enough the Frontier beta bug forums get a lot of communication from the QA team, the QA devs post often in there. The beta suggestion and feedback forums go largely silent from Frontiers end for some reason, and it does hurt the beta period's effectiveness quite a bit.
I wish it was a better situation.
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Frontier should trust a small number (~20) of the most dedicated/knowledgeable players to test the game in beta...Morbad, Fretnox, Ant, Truesilver & me*, of course...to name but a few. Having a bunch of semi-literate, pidgin English-spouting, epsilon-minus, semi-morons giving feedback (if you're thinking 'does he mean me?' No, you muppet...obviously...it's the others!), basically creates a '...wood for the trees' scenario as many of the bug reports/feedback stem from lack of knowledge & as such, a significant portion of dev-time must be wasted pursuing these often fallacious 'wild goose chases'.
However, given that beta access was cynically devised as an additional revenue stream, initially...I guess this is now impossible. 'Not to mention the subsequent tsunami of forum butt-hurt from those delusional, entitled "Elite legends in their own lunchtimes" not chosen, such as...well, I don't want to be controversial!
* Bait set, hehehe
However, given that beta access was cynically devised as an additional revenue stream, initially...I guess this is now impossible. 'Not to mention the subsequent tsunami of forum butt-hurt from those delusional, entitled "Elite legends in their own lunchtimes" not chosen, such as...well, I don't want to be controversial!
* Bait set, hehehe
FD definitly should hire a guy who will respond on the forums "good job! thanks for your valuable feedback! your opinion is very important for us!".
As I see the beta:
- devs needs more environment to test how developed things are working (no need to ask users for such feedback: logs, statistic event tracking, crash dumps uploaded to FD servers for sure, especially in beta)
- features already defined and implemented and won't be changed
- only severe and critical bugs will be fixed, like game crashes (other will be known issues)
Defining features is a job which product managers do, among with responsibility.
Me, personally, started beta on a third week of it, I understood that the account is a snapshot of my account from the point beta started, checked out lighting (good job, FD!), understood that what ever progress I'll do here I'll lose it after beta, and after that never launched beta again.
As I see the beta:
- devs needs more environment to test how developed things are working (no need to ask users for such feedback: logs, statistic event tracking, crash dumps uploaded to FD servers for sure, especially in beta)
- features already defined and implemented and won't be changed
- only severe and critical bugs will be fixed, like game crashes (other will be known issues)
Defining features is a job which product managers do, among with responsibility.
Me, personally, started beta on a third week of it, I understood that the account is a snapshot of my account from the point beta started, checked out lighting (good job, FD!), understood that what ever progress I'll do here I'll lose it after beta, and after that never launched beta again.
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Playing Beta someone makes a recommendation to change the new game play.
No Frontier response except in the latest patch notes if any.
Playing Beta someone finds a bug in the game play and reports it.
Frontier often responds with a "thanks" reply. Not always as 100 players may have reported it.
The heat issue on the Mamba is an example that kind of falls in-between the two.
Getting a response isn't important as providing feedback to get the Beta stable before it goes live.
We all have egos and when texting often expect a reply. When we don't get one we think that we
are being ignored. With a Beta and busy Frontier Devs I don't see it that way.
The reply will be in a great working update...or at least less bugs to deal with.
No Frontier response except in the latest patch notes if any.
Playing Beta someone finds a bug in the game play and reports it.
Frontier often responds with a "thanks" reply. Not always as 100 players may have reported it.
The heat issue on the Mamba is an example that kind of falls in-between the two.
Getting a response isn't important as providing feedback to get the Beta stable before it goes live.
We all have egos and when texting often expect a reply. When we don't get one we think that we
are being ignored. With a Beta and busy Frontier Devs I don't see it that way.
The reply will be in a great working update...or at least less bugs to deal with.
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The only feedback I care about is whether they fix the problems spoted in the Beta and balance the crap out of mining in the live version.
Answers from Devs in threads are mostly irrelevant and useless. But it feels nice.
The big win for FDev would be early NDA'ed alpha testers to spot the glaring issues before the beta. But hey.
Answers from Devs in threads are mostly irrelevant and useless. But it feels nice.
The big win for FDev would be early NDA'ed alpha testers to spot the glaring issues before the beta. But hey.
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Well, I'm not. Ain't got no time to bugtest software I already paid for.
That doesn't work. If you hire someone, that person has no clue what is technically possible. He doesn't know what the top honchos are considering. He cant speak for the grand vision of the game, or guarantee it wont ever come. With every such question he'll have to go over to the devs, have them read the question, give the answer to the new dude, have him come back and type out what teh dev said. It doesn't save the dev any time, it doesn't serve any purpose. The only feedback such a new hire could provide is:"Thanks for the feedback, it has been passed on."
Which doesn't tell you anything at all.
90% of folks in beta are just approaching it as an early access, and so does FD. They didnt launch b1 feeling it was good to go, and just wanting to get a final check done. It launched with a pile of known issues they were plowing through while we could play with the new toy.
"Hey FD, when I open the FSS in VR it immediately locks up. That goes for everyone with any kind of VR headset."
"Oh, thanks. We had no idea. But because of your awesome testing skills, we'll get right on it."
are you really serious? since when is not liking customer response a justification for delivering a defective product?
look, if you are a kickstarter or an altruist developer you may seek unlimited support from the community, that's just fair and natural. if you are doing it for business, even more so if you want to play the aaa role, then you might aswell get your own crap together first and deliver a defect free product for the money you ask, regardless of what the userbase says, asks or answers. what's with blaming the community for everything? the community is fine, it does it's thing, being the community, has paid the fee and is fine just by being there. frontier is a business selling a product, and if a majority of their customers have such a low bar then so be it, but blaming 'the community' for their lack of professionalism is just ridiculous.
yet not new in this forum. must be a sacred place indeed ...
He didn't say that. If you desire a discussion with someone, being obnoxious and rude isn't the way to go. If you decide to go that way, dont be surprised when people dont like talking to you any more. As you say, FD is a business. Dont like it? Take your money elsewhere.
Not sure where you got any of those words from any of my words there ....
i just boradened the context. the issue of frontier posing as a close and accessible indy bunch and acting like a service company is central to the issue. software quality is one aspect. being true to their much touted permeability is another.
that's exactly what i'm doing. smart asp