I feel empty after the beta

Is it possible that you went into the beta with slighly wrong expectations, OP ?
Yes, some things may be adjusted or changed due to player feedback, but the main features were decided upon and set beforehand.
Betas are not about players making changes to the decisions about the game, but to test the functionality of the decision made by the devs.
I'm sure you contributed towards that end, like many others, and that's what you should take away from it really.
You did help.
 
Ammo count was also changed.

Some other stuff I remember:
Probes are infinte (although that was changed after feedback before the beta)
ADS became a standard module
Tweaks to the Mamba
Surface POIs get named
Some changes to keybinds

But they didn't change the local star tinting the milky way skybox! That means they didn't listen to feedback at all! ... Sorry, I had to. :D
 
no, you apparently hadn't.

now you have.

it's called 'getting wiser'. right on! :)

Best reply ever, thankyou. Yeah first time beta on the forums. Was completely thrown off by the concept of beta feedback. Without thinking i assumed they would be actually interested in more than questions they specifically want answers for.. how they've always operated.. should have stopped that one earlier. Didn't help that finally after all these years frontier was finally focusing on non combat systems.. so the truck was lined up directly at my playstyle. Nothing is ever a problem when they've been working on combat related systems.. go figure.
 

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Now that its over, somehow i feel a little discontent about how the beta feedback forums were handled thoughout.

Regardless of the threads i raised, i never for a moment ever expected frontier to actually change course, i've been playing elite for too long to know that's a fools game. But given how much passion and time i invested in experiencing, raising feedback and bugs the pretty much complete silence from frontier on all these contributions has me sitting here at the end feeling a little foolish. This is the first beta that i've contributed to on the forums, so maybe its always been like this, but i swear there was a time where most non trivial issues were handled via some communication during the beta process. The whole experience feels like a futile one sided relationship.

The volume and nature of changes that each beta patch had also stated really clearly the features were effectively finished, and the whole scope of beta feedback was no where near as great as i and ill venture to assume much of the community was assuming.

While i still love elite the game, i don't think i'll be doing that again, and as is probably healthy with all games just meeting frontier at the via the patch notes interface. It was nice being a "fan" for a bit there though.

.... Yeah i do remember them. For a number of patches during the horizons year the beta processes were much more 2 way and engaging. We were provided with reasons for why things were the way they are. Times are definitely different at frontier.

While I 100% understand where you're coming from (first beta involvement for me too this time), where we differ is expectations:

1. I know I'm just 1 user out of thousands so the likelihood of getting a reply from FDev was always going to be pretty slim. Still though, they did respond to every single bug report I filed, and very politely and gratefully at that.

2. While they might not inform you of any changes, doesn't mean they won't take suggestions into account (happened to a suggestion I made pre-beta, turned out it was added without fanfare into beta 1 already).

3. As others have said, it's a minefield for FDev to respond to threads on the feedback forum, but I do believe they review and discuss any suggestions made.

4. Re point 3, important to bear in mind the goal is to iron out bugs/broken design/balancing issues and not expect significant gameplay design changes.

5. Consider the amount of bug reports and feedback threads created, I'm sure QA et al are snowed under addressing even a small fraction of that. I prefer them to focus on those rather than spending too much time engaging with the community.

6. I wasn't completely selfless when downloading and trying out the beta - of course the main motivation was to try and experience the new graphics and gameplay, rather than wait until the live release, as I'm an impatient individual. I didn't go into beta with the goal of raising as many bugs/provide feedback as I don't work at FDev in QA and don't get paid for this work (which is what beta testing ultimately is). If I came across a bug that I couldn't find a report for on the forums, I'd raise it, but I wouldn't go out of my way to hunt for them so I don't feel like I invested too much without getting enough out of it so to speak.

As a result of all of the above, I'm very much looking forward to next week, as I didn't burn myself out on beta testing which is possibly what happened to you.

I am however immensely grateful to those other players who certainly went the extra mile raising issues and providing good feedback. Fingers crossed at least some of that will be reflected on Dec 11th, and if not, who knows, maybe in a patch in the future.

Just my 2c really.
 
Now that its over, somehow i feel a little discontent about how the beta feedback forums were handled thoughout.

Regardless of the threads i raised, i never for a moment ever expected frontier to actually change course, i've been playing elite for too long to know that's a fools game. But given how much passion and time i invested in experiencing, raising feedback and bugs the pretty much complete silence from frontier on all these contributions has me sitting here at the end feeling a little foolish. This is the first beta that i've contributed to on the forums, so maybe its always been like this, but i swear there was a time where most non trivial issues were handled via some communication during the beta process. The whole experience feels like a futile one sided relationship.

The volume and nature of changes that each beta patch had also stated really clearly the features were effectively finished, and the whole scope of beta feedback was no where near as great as i and ill venture to assume much of the community was assuming.

While i still love elite the game, i don't think i'll be doing that again, and as is probably healthy with all games just meeting frontier at the via the patch notes interface. It was nice being a "fan" for a bit there though.

.... Yeah i do remember them. For a number of patches during the horizons year the beta processes were much more 2 way and engaging. We were provided with reasons for why things were the way they are. Times are definitely different at frontier.

They have literally thousands of people emailing them daily (not just during betas) who are telling them what they found/want changed/dont like/like and their fav color... Dont be suprised they are not personally responding to each one. That would be an awfull waste of time....and resources.

If there is a mega thread that condenses all issues raised/whatever and when the feedback ends they simply say - thanks for the feedback..totally fine with that, as what else could i expect?

Not to sound like a but i think people here are pretty guilty of over estimating their own importance in the grand scheme of things.

Not just with elite..and not just you...its everyone and its related to everything.
 
Now that its over, somehow i feel a little discontent about how the beta feedback forums were handled thoughout.

Regardless of the threads i raised, i never for a moment ever expected frontier to actually change course, i've been playing elite for too long to know that's a fools game. But given how much passion and time i invested in experiencing, raising feedback and bugs the pretty much complete silence from frontier on all these contributions has me sitting here at the end feeling a little foolish. This is the first beta that i've contributed to on the forums, so maybe its always been like this, but i swear there was a time where most non trivial issues were handled via some communication during the beta process. The whole experience feels like a futile one sided relationship.

The volume and nature of changes that each beta patch had also stated really clearly the features were effectively finished, and the whole scope of beta feedback was no where near as great as i and ill venture to assume much of the community was assuming.

While i still love elite the game, i don't think i'll be doing that again, and as is probably healthy with all games just meeting frontier at the via the patch notes interface. It was nice being a "fan" for a bit there though.

.... Yeah i do remember them. For a number of patches during the horizons year the beta processes were much more 2 way and engaging. We were provided with reasons for why things were the way they are. Times are definitely different at frontier.

i dunno..... i agree its not perfect but the biggest show stoppers in beta for me were

1) the lighting issues in VR (only rendering in 1 eye)
2) the fire groups and being in the wrong hud mode annoyance
3) impossible to meet scanning pars.

and all 3 are fixed. (4 if you count the hot running mamba but i did not experience that perosnally)

that said burnout in beta is a real thing and is something people need to be wary of. i only did a few hrs in beta to make sure the game is playable, once i was satisfied it is, i left it well alone.
 
They have literally thousands of people emailing them daily (not just during betas) who are telling them what they found/want changed/dont like/like and their fav color... Dont be suprised they are not personally responding to each one. That would be an awfull waste of time....and resources.

Yup. Also it was telling that when devs did turn up their questions were often ignored, and they were them bombarded with unrelated questions / comments. Not really giving them motivation to engage more - eh?
 
This was my first Beta for ED and I admit I enjoyed it. Not only did I get to try out the new features and comment on them, I also got to try out ships I would never have tried in Live, even did a few activities that I normally wouldn't touch like assassination missions simply because there were no real consequences. Had a damn good time actually.

As for the OP's feeling of discontent, I would envisage he isn't alone. There is probably quite a few who are upset that FD refused to throw out 10 to 12 months work and re-engineer and/or re-code major elements of 3.3 just to satisfy a minority who didn't like what was done. I dare say some were probably expecting accolades and a person letter from DBOBE himself for showing them the error of their ways. All I can say is thank the [insert diety of your choice] that FD stuck to their guns on the major elements of 3.3 which I think the majority of the community that tried it were very happy with what they experienced.
 
should have stopped that one earlier.

well, actions have value whether it's appreciated or not, or has any consequences. ultimately, they define you. skeptikal as i am about this (and i am extremely), who is to say anybody going head on into this betatesting is wrong? that's entirely personal. you might feel perfectly happy with that, even if the outcome is unexpected. also, it could have been different, or could be next beta.

i decided long ago frontier doesn't even merit filing a bug report, their response to them is abysmal. it's their product, their software, they should be first to worry about it. but that's just me, and i know i'm biased as a developer. but i'm pretty sure many devs at frontier will see it in a similar way even if those aren't the priorities of the company. i also can understand that frontier, as a company, takes advantage of such leniency in the audience.

and i totally get that this is nothing out of the ordinary in gaming industry standards, but there's a strong cognitive dissonance when frontier vehemently asks for help in testing and politely thanks the playerbase but actually corresponds so weakly. they indeed act as an 'aaa' company but still cling to the 'indy' attitude in communication. in that sense they should cut the crap or eat the flak.

for me the game is overall good. i reckon it is in part thanks to the contribution of many players, even if much is ignored. so i could tell myself to contribute too! and i understand anyone who does. however, it would be wise to do that without any expectation, just for the sake of doing it. since i don't see it that way, just like frontier i choose to take advantage of the social dynamics and let others do it for me, and for frontier :)
 
i dunno..... i agree its not perfect but the biggest show stoppers in beta for me were

1) the lighting issues in VR (only rendering in 1 eye)
2) the fire groups and being in the wrong hud mode annoyance
3) impossible to meet scanning pars.

and all 3 are fixed. (4 if you count the hot running mamba but i did not experience that perosnally)

that said burnout in beta is a real thing and is something people need to be wary of. i only did a few hrs in beta to make sure the game is playable, once i was satisfied it is, i left it well alone.

Did they fix 2)? Mised that, how did they do it?
 

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Well that doesn't fix the issue. Analysis firegroups need to be invisible in combat mode and vice versa.

Ah I see. I just remembered that you had to switch HUD mode to deploy heat sinks, or use mining tools, which I personally found pretty annoying but which got fixed.
 
i dunno..... i agree its not perfect but the biggest show stoppers in beta for me were
1) the lighting issues in VR (only rendering in 1 eye)
2) the fire groups and being in the wrong hud mode annoyance
3) impossible to meet scanning pars.
and all 3 are fixed. (4 if you count the hot running mamba but i did not experience that perosnally)

good to know showstoppers were fixed in beta! [woah][big grin][haha]

if that's the standard, then we can't thank our beloved betatesters enough! they would actually deserve some pay. this is a commercial product after all. and not a bad selling one ...

next beta for a change we could say everything is golden, no bugs at all, mechanics are perfect and polished! now release the masterpiece if you have the balls :)

yeah, i only want to watch the world burn! ;)
 
The amount or feedback they got pretty much excluded that. They wouldn't get any work done if they tried to respond to all that feedback, besides, for a lot of it they probably had some thinking to do.

As for me, I think I was diagnosed with beta bipolar disorder... Happy one minute, pulling my hair out the next...
 
Always there is someone who says
The game was not charged to reflect my feed back alone and entirely ergo FDev listens to no feedback from the community as a whole.

And thus ignored the changes actually made from the feed back given.
This. Things have been changed based on feedback and bug reports, but the time needed to implement - or even respond to - everybody who posts feedback or bugs would be huge.
 
Well that doesn't fix the issue. Analysis firegroups need to be invisible in combat mode and vice versa.

oh carp! I thought that was exactly what they did.... i must have miss read it in the patch notes!. (i have not actually tested the last build of beta which is when i thought it was fixed.

in which case perhaps i was wrong and that is one, pita, feature which is potentially still in the game then :(
 
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