Inaccessible permit-locked systems and the BGS

Are there currently any missions that affect influence with a third-party Faction i.e. not the mission giver or in the 'target' system? Positive or negative would do.
 
Are there currently any missions that affect influence with a third-party Faction i.e. not the mission giver or in the 'target' system? Positive or negative would do.
The only thing I can think of which might work is
- take cargo delivery mission
- get redirected to the permit system
- accept the redirect
- let the mission time out to (extremely marginally) harm the influence of the redirect-receiving faction

But I suspect you can't be redirected to permit systems in the first place.


Another possibility coming with 3.3, though it probably won't go anywhere - use the KWS method to get Allied with the system's faction. Once Allied, create a Squadron aligned to it and see if it's present anywhere else. Almost certainly the "anywhere else" if this does work will be another permit-locked system, but an unexplored one, so you couldn't use it to get the permit ... but that would be an interesting thing to discover anyway.
 
The problem with the inaccessible permit systems is you need to:
1. be allied to the permit giver (which you need to find), and
2. you need to get the permit from a system within 15Ly that has the same faction present[1].

So even if you can get allied with a faction in a locked system (some good ideas there!) you cannot get access because of (2). Unpopulated systems fail at stage (1).
Or other systems, such as HIP 22460 are inaccessible because there are no systems within 15 Ly. I did hope FDev would add populations so that an enterprising CMDR could get that permit, but no doubt it will be unlocked by a CG at a later date, because in 2018 puzzles are not cool apparently ;)

[1] https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/122593-Updated-Permit-List
 
Quick question as to how a permit, or lack of permit prevents your FSD locking on to the gravitational mass of the sun?

Surely a lack of permit would just secure an untimely end when you got to there, rather than you not being able to get there at all. What sorcery in a permit suddenly unmasks the gravitational mass of a sun? Or rather, how does one block a sun whilst not holding a digital permit? Can I use the same technology to mask my ships signature / mass / presence to anyone not holding a 'friend' permit signed by me?

(sorry coffee overload, fun questions as result)
 
Quick question as to how a permit, or lack of permit prevents your FSD locking on to the gravitational mass of the sun?

Surely a lack of permit would just secure an untimely end when you got to there, rather than you not being able to get there at all. What sorcery in a permit suddenly unmasks the gravitational mass of a sun? Or rather, how does one block a sun whilst not holding a digital permit? Can I use the same technology to mask my ships signature / mass / presence to anyone not holding a 'friend' permit signed by me?

(sorry coffee overload, fun questions as result)

It's your ship's computer that prevents you from selecting a permit-locked system as a destination. Probably hard-coded into the FSD's firmware, and the permit is simply a patch that updates it to allow the FSD to lock on to the star.
 
2. you need to get the permit from a system within 15Ly that has the same faction present[1].
This may well be 20LY nowadays, since the base mission radius got increased. I don't have a suitable permit system near me to check with.

That probably doesn't make any difference in any of the actual cases, though.
 
Ah, a post so bereft of information and full of mysticisms - have you also found raxxla? ;)

It’s right next to Jamaharon. Not that hard to find.

I suspect it's against his religion.

The only thing against MY religion is being non-religious.

I have a spare in the fridge... I'll leave it in the 4th locker at pad 7 on Hutton Orbital, it's the blue one marked "reserved for Anaconda collections" in bright pink crayon.

A spare what? Religion? At least it won’t spoil.

Yeah...bountyhunting with KWS can give you random faction bountys. Most from closer systems ao you could do that close to the system you can't get in and still become allied with the permit issuing faction.
But there is still the problem of the permit mission you cannot get since they are not present at any reachable starport :rolleyes:

See, someone knows what I’m talking about. Sorry I’m not the one to remove all thought processes from everything and carry people around. If you don’t think for yourselves and stand on your own feet, that’s on you. I’m sure there’s a Nanny State out there looking for you. :)

KWSing wouldn’t be half as bad if the rates of finding ships wanted by those locked away factions wasn’t Crap-1. Original KWS was a bit better for this since it gave all the factions.

But I will give this much up: using the gal map to see where these locked away systems trade helps in finding both ships of those factions as well as ships wanted by those factions. There, no more hand-holding.
 
4 Sextantis is a notable system which has this issue. Permit locked by the Federation yet there's a few systems that have 4 Sextantis Inc (Most likely permit giving faction) present as either the controlling or high ranking in terms of faction influence.

There's a HIP system that's permit locked, can't say if it's fed, ind or imperial in which the controlling faction is only present within that system making the permit unobtainable for now.


I suggest doing a Google search for permit locked systems, someone has created a thread that lists all permit locked systems, planets and regions within the Elite Universe.
 
4 Sextantis is a notable system which has this issue. Permit locked by the Federation yet there's a few systems that have 4 Sextantis Inc (Most likely permit giving faction) present as either the controlling or high ranking in terms of faction influence.

There's a HIP system that's permit locked, can't say if it's fed, ind or imperial in which the controlling faction is only present within that system making the permit unobtainable for now.


I suggest doing a Google search for permit locked systems, someone has created a thread that lists all permit locked systems, planets and regions within the Elite Universe.

The thread I think you're referring to is:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/122593

It was after I'd checked several systems within 15 LY of 4 Sextantis where 4 Sextantis Inc had a presence, and saw no permit offer, that it occurred to me that the permit issuers might be one of the other two 4 Sextantis factions, that are only in 4 Sextantis. And so started the train of thought that led to this thread.
 
It's your ship's computer that prevents you from selecting a permit-locked system as a destination. Probably hard-coded into the FSD's firmware, and the permit is simply a patch that updates it to allow the FSD to lock on to the star.

And if you get caught jailbreaking your nav computer, ATR jacks you out of the matrix!
 
It's your ship's computer that prevents you from selecting a permit-locked system as a destination. Probably hard-coded into the FSD's firmware, and the permit is simply a patch that updates it to allow the FSD to lock on to the star.

This is indeed the only logical explanation that makes sense of the in-game behaviour.

Which does of course raise the question: if it's "just a software block" in your ship's computer, then how come it's impossible to fly to your nearest Anarchy and hire a hacker to create a fake Permit? Or sell me a black market navicomputer that doesn't have the Permits coded in?
 
This is indeed the only logical explanation that makes sense of the in-game behaviour.

Which does of course raise the question: if it's "just a software block" in your ship's computer, then how come it's impossible to fly to your nearest Anarchy and hire a hacker to create a fake Permit? Or sell me a black market navicomputer that doesn't have the Permits coded in?

Because GoDev hasnt figured out how or if they want to impiment it and dont want you in some permit locked places anyway.
 
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