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You're once again turning to ridiculous vague excuses to avoid the issue you're facing. The presented data is clear as day, and you are free to provide data contradictory to what I've provided, but I hardly think you'll be able to make any solid case. Stop making up numbers like "90% of articles and research support me" and provide some support to these claims instead (and I'm betting if you tried most of what you would gather is outdated information and blatant misinformation propagated and hyped-up by the media), or else keep quite and save yourself some embarrassment. Don't tar everything with the same brush, some videos communicate accurate information, as is the case with the video I provided, simply because it summarizes actual data rather than sharing a personal opinion or belief.
I want the Giganotosaurus and Spinosaurus in my park, I just don't want them bigger than Tyrannosaurus (which they shouldn't be in any sense), what is it that you don't understand? These are essentially the only three big dinosaurs which matters, and that includes their size differences (and T-Rex should be the largest in every sense). I absolutely do care about scientific accuracy, but this discussion doesn't concern any other dinosaurs but T-Rex, Spino, and Giga, as already explained. Again, please stop lying and misrepresenting me, that only makes you come across as deceptive and pathetic. Again, no offense. I'm not worshipping any animals here, I simply have strong opinions about what I want from this game, from this franchise, and from my entertainment overall. Regarding the Raptors, they are supposed to be that big in this franchise.
You need to show me the published data that clearly shows your claim that "Giga is bigger" to be true, otherwise I'll reject it plain and simple, and I certainly won't accept anything as true based upon ad populum fallacies as you've been doing throughout this discussion, and you can keep avoiding addressing the data presented in the video with silly excuses as much as you want, it won't do any good, and it certainly won't make your case any stronger. Frontier clearly doesn't care whether the sizes are accurate or not, they just want to please people (ironically), and once more, they said earlier that they wouldn't change the original sizes, but they did anyway later down the road. Either way, reminding me of this won't change anything either, since I'm still not satisfied with what they did, and I'll keep making my desires known, and maybe be a voice to others out there who share my concerns.
No, but it's rotten to force this change upon all the players and not offer anything to make up for it. It's incredibly disappointing.
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What company does what you say? The changes are for all players, whether we like them or not. There are no changes to taste so that a minority does not get angry. Stop behaving like a small child please.
Frontier has done the right thing by listening to the vast majority of players and has been rewarded with widespread praise thanks to the 1.4 update. A pair of whiners like you will not influence them to back out. This thread should be closed, it is nothing more than the notification of a size change made two months ago. Everything that is spoken here will be useless.
So if the majority wants to change the Brachiosaurus to having no erect neck anymore or remove the Triceratops' frill (no matter what crazy thing they're asking for) Frontier should just go ahead with it? That's what you're saying? I'm no more a whiner than anyone else participating in this topic. I'm fully entitled to share my concerns with the game and hope and work for a solution, regardless if I'm in a majority or minority. I don't care if they will not hear me, or how many childish insults are thrown at me, for I will still make my voice heard. I stand by my words in regards to Frontier's decision on the size adjustments being rotten, inaccurate, and unappreciated.
https://youtu.be/I_BkVvNti7c
https://youtu.be/io8fG0s-kb4
https://youtu.be/ZoBLh6DCRlw
https://youtu.be/aDNSWP0xIHk
https://youtu.be/-6mNebnOMdM
https://www.pwpark.com/dinosaurs/spinosaurus/
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/debunking-dinosaur-myths-and-movie-misconceptions.html
https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2018/08/02/the_top_six_dinosaur_myths_110711.html
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TyrannosaurusRex
https://www.gottabetrue.com/archives/940
https://www.google.dk/amp/s/animalsake.com/giganotosaurus-vs-tyrannosaurus-rex.amp
https://www.thoughtco.com/things-to-know-giganotosaurus-1093787
https://www.quora.com/Which-theropo...Spinosaurus-and-who-would-have-won-in-a-fight
https://www.perotmuseum.org/exhibits-and-films/traveling-exhibition/ultimate-dinosaurs.html
https://www.columbuszoo.org/home/ab...osaur-island-opens-may-19-at-the-columbus-zoo
https://www.researchgate.net/public...ting_body_size_from_skull_length_in_theropods
https://www.parkcitiespeople.com/2018/06/21/out-and-about-the-dinosaurs-have-arrived/
https://carnivora.net/showthread.php?tid=116
https://www.google.dk/amp/blobur.com/10-biggest-dinosaurs-ever-lived/amp/
https://www.visitdallas.com/things-to-do/dallas-now/2018/07/dinosaurs-in-dallas.html
https://www.google.dk/amp/s/www.zooportraits.com/false-myths-about-dinosaurs/amp/
https://www.vi-mm.eu/2018/06/22/aug...ture-and-sciences-ultimate-dinosaurs-exhibit/
https://www.10tv.com/article/dinosaur-island-opens-saturday-columbus-zoo
https://youtu.be/-6mNebnOMdM
https://trustarts.org/production/55...live-spinosaurus-lost-giant-of-the-cretaceous
https://www.thoughtco.com/things-to-know-tyrannosaurus-1093804
https://www.insidevancouver.ca/2018...ttable-national-geographic-live-presentation/
https://www.portland5.com/newmark-t...raphic-live-spinosaurus-lost-giant-cretaceous
https://www.google.dk/amp/s/thewire...edator-in-history-really-live-underwater/amp/
https://globalnews.ca/video/4525321/discovering-the-spinosaurus
https://carnegiemnh.org/educator/dinosaur-encounter-assembly-show/
http://mentalfloss.com/article/501872/meet-spinosaurus-giant-dinosaur-was-scarier-t-rex
https://do503.com/events/2019/2/25/national-geographic-live-spinosaurus-lost-giant-of-the-cretaceous
https://www.columbuszoo.org/home/ab...osaur-island-opens-may-19-at-the-columbus-zoo
https://www.google.dk/amp/s/www.new...ific-issues-behind-jurassic-park-943442?amp=1
http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-first-national-geographic-live-series-the-orpheum
https://youtu.be/io8fG0s-kb4
https://youtu.be/ZoBLh6DCRlw
https://youtu.be/aDNSWP0xIHk
https://youtu.be/-6mNebnOMdM
https://www.pwpark.com/dinosaurs/spinosaurus/
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/debunking-dinosaur-myths-and-movie-misconceptions.html
https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2018/08/02/the_top_six_dinosaur_myths_110711.html
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TyrannosaurusRex
https://www.gottabetrue.com/archives/940
https://www.google.dk/amp/s/animalsake.com/giganotosaurus-vs-tyrannosaurus-rex.amp
https://www.thoughtco.com/things-to-know-giganotosaurus-1093787
https://www.quora.com/Which-theropo...Spinosaurus-and-who-would-have-won-in-a-fight
https://www.perotmuseum.org/exhibits-and-films/traveling-exhibition/ultimate-dinosaurs.html
https://www.columbuszoo.org/home/ab...osaur-island-opens-may-19-at-the-columbus-zoo
https://www.researchgate.net/public...ting_body_size_from_skull_length_in_theropods
https://www.parkcitiespeople.com/2018/06/21/out-and-about-the-dinosaurs-have-arrived/
https://carnivora.net/showthread.php?tid=116
https://www.google.dk/amp/blobur.com/10-biggest-dinosaurs-ever-lived/amp/
https://www.visitdallas.com/things-to-do/dallas-now/2018/07/dinosaurs-in-dallas.html
https://www.google.dk/amp/s/www.zooportraits.com/false-myths-about-dinosaurs/amp/
https://www.vi-mm.eu/2018/06/22/aug...ture-and-sciences-ultimate-dinosaurs-exhibit/
https://www.10tv.com/article/dinosaur-island-opens-saturday-columbus-zoo
https://youtu.be/-6mNebnOMdM
https://trustarts.org/production/55...live-spinosaurus-lost-giant-of-the-cretaceous
https://www.thoughtco.com/things-to-know-tyrannosaurus-1093804
https://www.insidevancouver.ca/2018...ttable-national-geographic-live-presentation/
https://www.portland5.com/newmark-t...raphic-live-spinosaurus-lost-giant-cretaceous
https://www.google.dk/amp/s/thewire...edator-in-history-really-live-underwater/amp/
https://globalnews.ca/video/4525321/discovering-the-spinosaurus
https://carnegiemnh.org/educator/dinosaur-encounter-assembly-show/
http://mentalfloss.com/article/501872/meet-spinosaurus-giant-dinosaur-was-scarier-t-rex
https://do503.com/events/2019/2/25/national-geographic-live-spinosaurus-lost-giant-of-the-cretaceous
https://www.columbuszoo.org/home/ab...osaur-island-opens-may-19-at-the-columbus-zoo
https://www.google.dk/amp/s/www.new...ific-issues-behind-jurassic-park-943442?amp=1
http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-first-national-geographic-live-series-the-orpheum
No evidence supports Spinosaurus and Giganotosaurus being bigger than Tyrannosaurus either, and yet here we are. I also didn't say anybody wanted a Brachiosaurus without an erect neck or a Triceratops without a frill, but my point was to show the problem with the reasoning that "if most people want it, then it should happen".
You asked for articles and videos stating T-Rex wasn’t bigger than Giga and Spino. That’s what I provided. In bunches. So yes alot more supports Rex being smaller... And I ONLY collected links from 2018, so nothing is outdated. You came with one homemade video. I knew you would say this exact thing. That’s why I’m done here. I can keep providing 50 articles and videos, but no matter what, you’ll say that ONE video beats everything else out there... So what’s the point. Everything is theory anyway... And the majority of it states Rex is NOT the biggest. I came with 36 links from museums, magazines, documentaries, studies etc. It’s like talking to a wall or a kid that still believes in Santa. If a Spino walked past your house with a Rex in it’s mouth, you still wouldn’t believe it. It’s so comical. You believe one video. I believe in 50. We’ll never agree. But if you’re right, they’ll change the sizes eventually... Doesn’t look like it with the research we have now, so enjoy the new perfectly fine sizes. Can’t argue with people that keeps avoiding everything thrown in their face. Can’t teach people who doesn’t wanna be educated. Peace.
[video=youtube;BPAeVYgbw4U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPAeVYgbw4U[/video]
Well I was gonna address some of the points made, but this has gotten too far out of control so forget it.
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Simple solution. Leave the sizes alone, but fix the combat stats. Put Rex just barely lower than Indominus, maybe with a higher attack but lower defense due to it's bigger bite but small arms. Put Triceratops a little lower than Rex but higher than Spino or Giga. And last but not least nerf Allosaurus to a level appropriate to it's size. Regardless of size, Rex has long been known to be the strongest theropod, so if you just give it that then I would be satisfied. Thanks and have a great day.
Well I was gonna address some of the points made, but this has gotten too far out of control so forget it.
@Paul_Crowther
Simple solution. Leave the sizes alone, but fix the combat stats. Put Rex just barely lower than Indominus, maybe with a higher attack but lower defense due to it's bigger bite but small arms. Put Triceratops a little lower than Rex but higher than Spino or Giga. And last but not least nerf Allosaurus to a level appropriate to it's size. Regardless of size, Rex has long been known to be the strongest theropod, so if you just give it that then I would be satisfied. Thanks and have a great day.
I-Rex > T-Rex > Spino > Giga > Allo/Carno. These stats are the best to make combats more realistic.
I-Rex the strongest, second the T-Rex (most powerful bite and most muscular body).
Attack and defense stats must be change with op Allosaurus. Only Allo stats are wrong. Triceratops, Ankylosaurus and Stegosaurus stats should be buff. They are too weak.
I-Rex the strongest, second the T-Rex (most powerful bite and most muscular body).
Attack and defense stats must be change with op Allosaurus. Only Allo stats are wrong. Triceratops, Ankylosaurus and Stegosaurus stats should be buff. They are too weak.
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So you did the one thing I advised against earlier and just collected whatever random, incorrect, and outdated online articles you could find which seemingly agreed with you (all of which made claims but none of which provided any verifiable data) and you didn't even specify what each article or video was supposed to even say or address in support of your stance. Try again, and let's be a little more coherent.
I never asked for a bunch of random articles and videos stating Giga and Spino were supposedly bigger than T-Rex without any actual substance to them, I asked for you to provide support for your claims that Giganotosaurus and Spinosaurus are supposedly bigger than Tyrannosaurus as well as address the contents of my linked video presentation (which you still haven't done). Again, it doesn't matter that the video itself is homemade, because the data contained in the video is real and verifiable and up-to-date. Stop avoiding and rejecting it. It also didn't matter that any of your links were published this year because they provided nothing of substance nor evidence to your claims, they just made the same claims without support, so you're merely pushing the issue further away so you can avoid having to deal with it yourself.
Again, it's not the number of sources you can provide, but the quality of those sources that is the issue, and the reason the mentioned video beats your sources is because the video actually provides actual verifiable data and cited studies (he's simply summarizing current data), however all of your random articles merely consists of low-quality layman content reproducing popular outdated information and none address any actual data or actual studies. Please understand this distinction and try to take this a little more seriously. Again, you can go around saying "Giga and Spino are bigger than T-Rex" all you want, it still won't make it true in the slightest bit, that's all fantasy, and you still need to make a case for your claims.
Agreed! Except Giga should perhaps be above Spino.
I still feel the sizes need adjustment though.
That is for once something we all agree on.
I would like to apologize for not clarifying earlier why each of these links provided are not sufficient, so let's go through each of them individually and see what they actually bring to the table;
https://youtu.be/I_BkVvNti7c - This link merely propagates the false claims but doesn't support them.
https://youtu.be/io8fG0s-kb4 - This link merely propagates the same false claims but doesn't support them.
https://youtu.be/ZoBLh6DCRlw - This link merely propagates the same false claims but doesn't support them.
https://youtu.be/aDNSWP0xIHk - This link merely propagates the same false claims but doesn't support them.
https://youtu.be/-6mNebnOMdM - This is an outdated documentary from 2014 when Ibrahim's discoveries were being hyped up. This again concerns false claims.
https://www.pwpark.com/dinosaurs/spinosaurus/ - This link merely propagates the same false claim but doesn't support them.
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/debunk...nceptions.html - This link merely propagates the same false claims but doesn't support them.
https://www.realclearscience.com/art...hs_110711.html - This link merely propagates the same false claims and attempts to subtly support them with an outdated study from 2006.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.p...rannosaurusRex - This link is a random wiki-page which anybody can edit (with all the problems that arise from such) without any cited sources and merely suggests that Tyrannosaurus "may not have been" the largest theropod.
https://www.gottabetrue.com/archives/940 - This link merely propagates the same false claims but doesn't support them.
https://www.google.dk/amp/s/animalsa...saurus-rex.amp - This link merely propagates the same false claims but doesn't support them.
https://www.thoughtco.com/things-to-...saurus-1093787 - This link merely propagates the same false claims but doesn't support them.
https://www.quora.com/Which-theropod...won-in-a-fight - This is more of a random discussion page and is probably one of the best of these links, although still not sufficient as they only cite outdated studies from 2005 and 2007 and one of the last comments also points out the problem of people still propagating outdated size estimates for Spinosaurus exaggerating its size to be much larger than it really was.
https://www.perotmuseum.org/exhibits...dinosaurs.html - This link merely propagates the same false claims but doesn't support them.
https://www.columbuszoo.org/home/abo...e-columbus-zoo - This link merely propagates the same false claims but doesn't support them. Seemingly the same article will be repeated two times.
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...h_in_theropods - This link is but the same outdated study from 2006 and just published in 2007 by a different publisher.
https://www.parkcitiespeople.com/201...-have-arrived/ - This link merely propagates the same false claims but doesn't support them.
https://carnivora.net/showthread.php?tid=116 - This is more of a random discussion page and is probably one of the best of these links, although still not sufficient as there is still no factual support found.
https://www.google.dk/amp/blobur.com...ver-lived/amp/ - This link merely propagates the same false claims but doesn't support them.
https://www.visitdallas.com/things-t...in-dallas.html - This link merely propagates the same false claims but doesn't support them.
https://www.google.dk/amp/s/www.zoop...dinosaurs/amp/ - This link merely propagates the same false claims but doesn't support them.
https://www.vi-mm.eu/2018/06/22/augm...saurs-exhibit/ - This link merely propagates the same false claims but doesn't support them.
https://www.10tv.com/article/dinosau...y-columbus-zoo - This link merely propagates the same false claims but doesn't support them. I've seen basically the same article two times by now.
https://youtu.be/-6mNebnOMdM - This is the exact same outdated documentary as mentioned earlier from 2014.
https://trustarts.org/production/555...the-cretaceous - This link merely propagates the same false claims but doesn't support them. Frankly, it's simply an extension of the National Geographic advertising campaign to "sell" the "new" Spinosaurus (as of 2014, and thus outdated) to the public.
https://www.thoughtco.com/things-to-...saurus-1093804 - This link merely propagates the same false claims but doesn't support them.
https://www.insidevancouver.ca/2018/...-presentation/ - This link is just promotion and hype for the aforementioned Nat Geo advertising campaign.
https://www.portland5.com/newmark-th...ant-cretaceous - This link is just promotion and hype for the aforementioned Nat Geo advertising campaign.
https://www.google.dk/amp/s/thewire....nderwater/amp/ - This link merely propagates the same false claims and refers to the same old outdated 2014 study by Ibrahim.
https://globalnews.ca/video/4525321/...he-spinosaurus - This link merely propagates the same false claims but doesn't support them.
https://carnegiemnh.org/educator/din...assembly-show/ - This link merely propagates the same false claims but doesn't support them.
http://mentalfloss.com/article/50187...-scarier-t-rex - This link merely propagates the same false claims and refers to the same old outdated 2014 study by Ibrahim.
https://do503.com/events/2019/2/25/n...the-cretaceous - This link is just promotion and hype for the aforementioned Nat Geo advertising campaign.
https://www.columbuszoo.org/home/abo...e-columbus-zoo - This link merely propagates the same false claims but doesn't support them. I've seen basically the same article three times by now.
https://www.google.dk/amp/s/www.news...943442?amp=1 - This link merely propagates the same false claims but doesn't support them.
http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vanco...es-the-orpheum - This link is just promotion and hype for the aforementioned Nat Geo advertising campaign.
Most of these links are merely articles published by random people, groups, or organizations briefly mentioning that "this animal is bigger than this animal" (mostly for promotional purposes and hype it seems) but not actually citing their sources. Again, let's clarify that the following video as previously discussed actually presents up-to-date data which is verifiable from the cited sources in the video (including the brilliance of Scott Hartman no less);
[video=youtube;BItPcH4P9PE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BItPcH4P9PE[/video]
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You copy pasted the links directly from the post, they will not work because our forum shortens the link.
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I can assure you all his links work, so please adjust your post or I have to remove it.
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in the posts.I can assure you all his links work, so please adjust your post or I have to remove it.
Ah, I see! My mistake! I shall fix this right away! UPDATE: It is done.
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First, no, the "majority rules" argument is a logical fallacy. For example, if the majority thinks killing Jews is morally justified, does that make it morally justified? Of course not! Second, I just reviewed every single one of your links and none could stand the test, as most were just random media hype carelessly propagating false information, and the best ones concerned one or two outdated studies which are no longer relevant. Once more, the single video I provided is just a simplified summary of current verifiable data. It's not just telling you "this is how it is" without any support or substance to it, but it's citing actual current verifiable data. Please understand this.
If your video is "true" then it'll blow up and debunk any other theories... Thus far it hasn't.
And majority rules has nothing to do with moral. The term is not "morality rules"...
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First, whether or not it will "blow up" depends, not as much on whether it's true or not (and noting that it is definitely true and I don't understand why you're trying this hard to deny it, nor have you addressed any of the contents in the video and explained why they are supposedly false), but rather upon whether or not anybody will pick up on it and bring it into other people's attention (as always), not to mention how recent these details are. Second, I never said that "majority rules" had anything to do with morality, the example I gave was a moral issue, but it was intended to be a clear example of the logical fallacy that is this "majority rules" or appeal to majority/popularity argument. I could use countless other examples, such as this one, consider that everyone says "consuming cyanide is good for your health", does the fact that everyone else says this actually make it true? Of course it doesn't! Do you understand what a logical fallacy is?
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