Beyond is great but please let the next updates focus on combat and PvP

[Braandlin]

So what? Every update needs to be exploration and mining?
I literally have nothing to do in the game right now except shoot at the same players I've been shooting at and players that rage when I blow them up in their exploration ships, and a bunch of terrible combat missions that are literally not even worth doing.

Thanks for adding your ignorance to the conversation.

Give me one example of a worth while combat or pvp uprade that have been added to the game this year. Name ONE!

I doubt anyone is going to give you a combat or pvp upgrade that has been made this year. For the simple reason that there hasn't been much that is significant.

BUT the point you are missing is that many of us are very glad about that.

Elite is a very wide ranging game with a million things to do. Frankly i am bemused by the cries of people on the forum saying there is nothing to do in the game.

It seems that you are only interested in one specific portion of that gameplay. That is your choice, you CHOOSE to only play that way and ignore any other aspects.

Personally i think there are a lot of things to be done before cobat and pvp get refreshed...Atmospheric landings would be my number 1, Spacelegs is a very popular cry (not for me though). But then neither you or are I are running Frontier which is probably just as well.

 

[DukeIronHand]

I do have an idea for PvP, did you not read what I wrote?

“Meaningful” was the operative word.

 

[AP Birdman]

I'm simply asking for some better combat missions and meaningful pvp.

You all complain that you get blown up in open and that it's all full of griefers but your unwilling to throw them any kind of bone that will keep them busy instead of trying to eat you instead.

Sounds like youre all shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[DukeIronHand]

Who is complaining about getting blown up in Open and griefers? Ain’t seen that here at all.
PvP is a dead-end game play style. It goes nowhere. And for what? For who?

EDIT: Sorry. Need more coffee if I am misunderstanding you.

 

[AP Birdman]

I doubt anyone is going to give you a combat or pvp upgrade that has been made this year. For the simple reason that there hasn't been much that is significant.

BUT the point you are missing is that many of us are very glad about that.

Elite is a very wide ranging game with a million things to do. Frankly i am bemused by the cries of people on the forum saying there is nothing to do in the game.

It seems that you are only interested in one specific portion of that gameplay. That is your choice, you CHOOSE to only play that way and ignore any other aspects.

Personally i think there are a lot of things to be done before cobat and pvp get refreshed...Atmospheric landings would be my number 1, Spacelegs is a very popular cry (not for me though). But then neither you or are I are running Frontier which is probably just as well.

So basically what you're saying is all the people that enjoy combat in elite can go and either learn to enjoy running cargo or quit playing? Sounds pretty selfish to me.

 

[Kellan Fell]

I'm simply asking for some better combat missions and meaningful pvp.

You all complain that you get blown up in open and that it's all full of griefers but your unwilling to throw them any kind of bone that will keep them busy instead of trying to eat you instead.

Sounds like youre all shooting yourself in the foot.

Most of us gave up being shot in the foot by other people to play in Private Groups or Solo, so that we can chose how to play.
If we want PVP we join a PVP group, rather than play in Open where "wings of engineered corvettes" chose to play a game called "blow up everything in sight because we think it's fun, and to hell with how anyone else wants to play this game"... If you want to do something other than slaughter players in far worse ships that you, then there's plenty to be done. If you enjoy easy kills against inferior opponents, then play in solo and kill NPC's.
There are plenty of dedicated PVP private groups out there where like minded players get together to shoot each other.

 

[AP Birdman]

Who is complaining about getting blown up in Open and griefers.
Careful. Your agenda may be showing.

Uh, the last 50 threads that have been started on the topic.

Yes I would love for there to be more for us pvpers to do so we don't have to bother you fine folks in your exploration ships as much.

It helps us and you. Why wouldn't you want that?

 

[Kellan Fell]

So basically what you're saying is all the people that enjoy combat in elite can go and either learn to enjoy running cargo or quit playing? Sounds pretty selfish to me.

Not at all, what we're saying is that people who enjoy shooting other players who are simply trying to run cargo or do missions are pretty selfish.

 

[AP Birdman]

Not at all, what we're saying is that people who enjoy shooting other players who are simply trying to run cargo or do missions are pretty selfish.

So you would rather they continue attacking you in your cargo ship than give them something to do? Sounds pretty counter productive to me.

 

[Crimson Kaim]

If you really think combat has had no love, you are not loading the game. The list of combat developments is huge, even in 3.3

This is true but for PvP it is not. There is no meaningful PvP in the game. You don't get missions, materials, credits or anything of in-game v alue out of PvP. You actually only invest in it, alot. Creating PvP only CZs for example and getting special "PvP bonds" (maybe merits?) for them so you can unlock new modules and such would be a cool thing.
But no, many of us PvPers spend their time shooting anything that is hovering in front of our gunsights, regardless of faction, ship, allegiance, etc.

"Griefing" as many call it would be reduced drastically if PvP had an actual featured place in the game with rewards of value. No, CQC is no PvP, it's a tutorial at best.

 

[DukeIronHand]

Uh, the last 50 threads that have been started on the topic.

Yes I would love for there to be more for us pvpers to do so we don't have to bother you fine folks in your exploration ships as much.

It helps us and you. Why wouldn't you want that?

Well I’m not an explorer and do dabble in PvP.
And you know what? It’s boring, dull, and as I previously said, a dead end. I PvP for what? To make someone HW or CL after 10 minutes of shield pounding. Big fun eh? Even some PvP’ers see this hence why “ganking” Traders becomes their sport. As I stated: Come up with some idea to make PvP contribute to the game and “meaningful” PvP will come.
It’s almost an odd tangent now that does nothing.

 

[c00ky1970]

I think an overall of Bounty Hunting is needed.

I enjoy roaming a Haz Res and shooting up those demented NPCs who scan me for cargo and never wonder why I am there with no mining lasers or a hull full of Collection limpets until I unleash hot labour dethrone upon them.

Having bounty hunter missions, where you have to use the wake scanner and track your prey would be fun.

Having a bounty hunter Rep would NPCswould know you are outto get them and either high tail it with a suitable high waketo follow or shoot first and make silly comments in chat later.

I think some way for Wanted Players to be able to be hunted by other players withhout them hiding in solo or a PRivate Group. Maybe along with Powerplay being only playable in Open, as soon as you are wanted you can only play in open, until bounty cleared or you are taken down.

Coupled with bounty hunting - Piracy needs a review, can players do it, earn a decent crust, occasionally hit the jackpot and always have the law, or those pesky player Bounty Hunters after them.

I don’t believe this requires power creep in engineering or weapons, just new gameplay, like FSS and mining tools but along BH And Piracy lines to get players more heavily engaged.

Maybe an enhancement to Squadrons that if a toggle is set to PvP then fights with other Squadrons also set to PVP means the report crimes setting is ignored? Maybe a reduced rebuy as well, as I understand that PvP players spend a lot of money on rebuys.

These kind of things could help the Pew Pew crowd, as well as the PvE crowd in havin* even more things to do?

 

[AP Birdman]

Well I’m not an explorer and do dabble in PvP.
And you know what? It’s boring, dull, and as I previously said, a dead end. I PvP for what? To make someone HW or CL after 10 minutes of shield pounding. Big fun eh? As I stated: Come up with some idea to make PvP contribute to the game and “meaningful” PvP will come.
It’s almost a tangent that does nothing.

So why not add more to it to make it more enjoyable?

You may not enjoy it but there's thousands of players that do and want more of it.

 

[Kellan Fell]

So you would rather they continue attacking you in your cargo ship than give them something to do? Sounds pretty counter productive to me.

So essentially what you're saying here is "give me more PVP stuff or I'll continue griefing other players"? Is that the gist of it? If so, then you're putting forward a pretty strong argument for everyone else to move out of Open, then you should find yourself alone on a platform where wings of engineered corvettes can slog it out all day to their heart's content. All you are doing here is serving to strengthen the argument that PVPers are essentially griefers who get their kick killing off other players "because I can".

 

[AP Birdman]

This is true but for PvP it is not. There is no meaningful PvP in the game. You don't get missions, materials, credits or anything of in-game v alue out of PvP. You actually only invest in it, alot. Creating PvP only CZs for example and getting special "PvP bonds" (maybe merits?) for them so you can unlock new modules and such would be a cool thing.
But no, many of us PvPers spend their time shooting anything that is hovering in front of our gunsights, regardless of faction, ship, allegiance, etc.

"Griefing" as many call it would be reduced drastically if PvP had an actual featured place in the game with rewards of value. No, CQC is no PvP, it's a tutorial at best.

Yes, yes, yes!!!!!

 

[Braandlin]

So basically what you're saying is all the people that enjoy combat in elite can go and either learn to enjoy running cargo or quit playing? Sounds pretty selfish to me.

Wow. How the hell did you get that from my comment?

You really have an offensive and beligerant approach don't you. And you wonder why people are arguing with you. You might find you get a better kind of discussion if you drop the entitled, petulant and aggressive tone.

What i clearly said is that there are a wide range of game styles that frontier need to accomodate and you are only interested in one of them. It also happens to be the play style that has had the MOST development over the last 5 years.

If ALL you are interested in is PvP and it is clear that Frontier are developing a game that caters to a much wider style - and I don't see that is changing any time soon - then you may have to consider if this is the game for you.

 

[AP Birdman]

So essentially what you're saying here is "give me more PVP stuff or I'll continue griefing other players"? Is that the gist of it? If so, then you're putting forward a pretty strong argument for everyone else to move out of Open, then you should find yourself alone on a platform where wings of engineered corvettes can slog it out all day to their heart's content. All you are doing here is serving to strengthen the argument that PVPers are essentially griefers who get their kick killing off other players "because I can".

No, what I'm saying is that pvpers in elite are bored and have nothing to do so they shoot at anyone who crosses their path and if Fdev were to give them something to do they wouldn't shoot at you in your cargo ship as much.

 

[AP Birdman]

Wow. How the hell did you get that from my comment?

You really have an offensive and beligerant approach don't you. And you wonder why people are arguing with you. You might find you get a better kind of discussion if you drop the entitled, petulant and aggressive tone.

What i clearly said is that there are a wide range of game styles that frontier need to accomodate and you are only interested in one of them. It also happens to be the play style that has had the MOST development over the last 5 years.

If ALL you are interested in is PvP and it is clear that Frontier are developing a game that caters to a much wider style - and I don't see that is changing any time soon - then you may have to consider if this is the game for you.

I'm gonna ignore your attacking comments.

So mining just got a pretty cool upgrade, exploration got some pretty cool upgrades, cargo could definitely use some upgrades but at least it pays well but combat completely sucks and I'm not just talking about pvp.
Assassination and massacre missions are a complete waste of time and effort and even wing missions can be done solo with a fully engineered medium ship.

Is it too much to ask for some better paying combat missions and some higher difficulty for the MANY players like myself that enjoy combat in elite dangerous?

 

[M00ka]

So you would rather they continue attacking you in your cargo ship than give them something to do? Sounds pretty counter productive to me.

Wait, are you suggesting that those players that prey on the weak and defenceless ships now (I believe the term is seal clubbing or murderhobo or something like that) will magically become pillars of the community if there were PvP centric missions? Won't happen, they are the type that chose their targets on the knowledge the target won't shoot back (they are cowards and bullies after all).

But yes I think it would be an excellent idea of FD created certain areas for PvP, something like a RES or CZ in an anarchy system so no authority ships to interfere. Of course any PvP outside of those zones would be severely curtailed and the perpetrators punished

 

[Tifu]

Beef up piracy so players can steal cargo without killing commanders. Deepen piracy missions as well.

Way better than the slaughter fest that masquerades as Open.