Starlight tints background skybox - Lighting issues

[shreddog]

This may have been mentioned before(I didn't read the threadnaught)

From my experience the background tint only happens close to the star.
The same area that was darkened before, is instead colored by the star now.
Once you go outside this radius the background becomes untinted.

 

[A D]

This may have been mentioned before(I didn't read the threadnaught)

From my experience the background tint only happens close to the star.
The same area that was darkened before, is instead colored by the star now.
Once you go outside this radius the background becomes untinted.

Don't know TBH, but my experience so suggests the overlay is always present even if untinted (i.e. like a sheet of lightly frosted glass) causing the blur effect.

 

[CMDR Carbo]

This may have been mentioned before(I didn't read the threadnaught)

From my experience the background tint only happens close to the star.
The same area that was darkened before, is instead colored by the star now.
Once you go outside this radius the background becomes untinted.

That's all fine and dandy, no problem with that.
What I and others have a problem with is that the tint is applied universally to everything, even the background skybox with the galaxy, nebulas 1000 lightyears away and even the HUD display, which changes color.
I'm not opposed to suns emitting colored light (except that the colors are wrong, a 5600K star like the sun emits white light, not orange or red), but how that color is applied on everything like a cheap instagram filter.

 

[Bunkerkind Anni]

This may have been mentioned before(I didn't read the threadnaught)

From my experience the background tint only happens close to the star.
The same area that was darkened before, is instead colored by the star now.
Once you go outside this radius the background becomes untinted.

hmm, earth is far outside of the zone where we had the sun blocking the background, yet we have that screenshot in this topic here, showing earth with a red tinted background

 

[Red Rocket]

Has anyone tried using Dr Kaii EDProfiler

 

[shreddog]

That's all fine and dandy, no problem with that.
What I and others have a problem with is that the tint is applied universally to everything, even the background skybox with the galaxy, nebulas 1000 lightyears away and even the HUD display, which changes color.
I'm not opposed to suns emitting colored light (except that the colors are wrong, a 5600K star like the sun emits white light, not orange or red), but how that color is applied on everything like a cheap instagram filter.

hmm, earth is far outside of the zone where we had the sun blocking the background, yet we have that screenshot in this topic here, showing earth with a red tinted background

Well I just did a test in a system with a Y Dwarf(they have very prominent color [big grin])

This is close to star

This is further out

This is close to star

This is further out

There may be a hint of pink left on the galaxy backdrop(?), but it is miniscule.



Magellanic clouds. No pink

 

[CMDR Carbo]

Well I just did a test in a system with a Y Dwarf(they have very prominent color [big grin])

This is close to star




This is further out




This is close to star




This is further out



There may be a hint of pink left on the galaxy backdrop(?), but it is miniscule.



Magellanic clouds. No pink

Yeah, everything you said is correct.
Point is, why does the galaxy change to pink when you're close to the star? That's the point. It shouldn't change color. It's composed of stars that EMIT THEIR OWN LIGHT.

Let's say, you have two normal white light bulbs next to each other. Now you change one light bulb with the a red one. Does the other light bulb now emit red light too? I don't think so.

In other words, everything that is close to the star, like planets, your spaceship, etc, should reflect the pink light. The galaxy backdrop, not. Never, even when close to the star.

 

[shreddog]

Yeah, everything you said is correct.
Point is, why does the galaxy change to pink when you're close to the star? That's the point. It shouldn't change color. It's composed of stars that EMIT THEIR OWN LIGHT.

Let's say, you have two normal white light bulbs next to each other. Now you change one light bulb with the a red one. Does the other light bulb now emit red light too? I don't think so.

Maybe the intense light and radiation from the very close star is so powerful it creates the effect of looking through a volumetric haze? *shrug*

 

[Strangepork]

That's all fine and dandy, no problem with that.
What I and others have a problem with is that the tint is applied universally to everything, even the background skybox with the galaxy, nebulas 1000 lightyears away and even the HUD display, which changes color.
I'm not opposed to suns emitting colored light (except that the colors are wrong, a 5600K star like the sun emits white light, not orange or red), but how that color is applied on everything like a cheap instagram filter.

Toy development, like they care not for the game, just coining it in now. No love left. Instagram game devs. Shamefull display of 'professionalised' careless development. D-

 

[Sunyavadin]

This is how it now looks in Elite after 3.3:

Spoiler

Equally high concentrations of cocoa powder mixed into that milk 2.1 million ls away, too.
So clearly that falloff effect doesn't seem to be working universally.

 

[Guest193293]

Well I just did a test in a system with a Y Dwarf(they have very prominent color [big grin])

This is close to star




This is further out




This is close to star




This is further out



There may be a hint of pink left on the galaxy backdrop(?), but it is miniscule.



Magellanic clouds. No pink

Why there is even a blue tint to the background and stars when far from the star ?

 

[A D]

Has anyone tried using Dr Kaii EDProfiler

Yep, the tone mapping function is broken since 3.3 dropped and has been temporarily greyed out. Dr Kaii is going to look at it.

 

[krautbernd]

I've updated my initial bug report, showing the effects of modifying/disabling the new lighting options in the config file. Any input would be appreciated.

 

[Stigbob]

...with a pint of dramatisizm on top.

Slightly pink is the new beige.

 

[Valorin]

I've updated my initial bug report, showing the effects of modifying/disabling the new lighting options in the config file. Any input would be appreciated.

Done.

 

[John Sheridan]

So has it been confirmed or denied whether this is intended or not. If Frontier has not said anything on the matter, why not? I have seen three major posts on the matter. They obviously reply to some bugs and complaints, why not something like this?

 

[Valorin]

So has it been confirmed or denied whether this is intended or not. If Frontier has not said anything on the matter, why not? I have seen three major posts on the matter. They obviously reply to some bugs and complaints, why not something like this?

No. Nothing so far.


I also noticed something else today.

This is about 3000Ls out:

This is about 700Ls out:

Same system, Orange M class.
Further away from the star the Milky Way is actually dimmer and the closer I get, the more the whole background lights up. Oo
It should be exactly the other way around if at all a difference. I mean, if I am in an area with a lot of light pollution I don't see any stars in the night sky. In vacuum there is close to zero light pollution and nothing that overshines as long as the light source is in my back and nothing reflects the light, so there should be no difference at all actually.
But well, let's shrug that one fact away and only think about light and dark surroundings, any light source should be brighter if I am surrounded by darkness.

 

[CMDR Carbo]

No. Nothing so far.


I also noticed something else today.

This is about 3000Ls out:


This is about 700Ls out:


Same system, Orange M class.
Further away from the star the Milky Way is actually dimmer and the closer I get, the more the whole background lights up. Oo
It should be exactly the other way around if at all a difference. I mean, if I am in an area with a lot of light pollution I don't see any stars in the night sky. In vacuum there is close to zero light pollution and nothing that overshines as long as the light source is in my back and nothing reflects the light, so there should be no difference at all actually.
But well, let's shrug that one fact away and only think about light and dark surroundings, any light source should be brighter if I am surrounded by darkness.

That's was my impression too, look what I reported some days ago:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...fter-4-years?p=7255497&viewfull=1#post7255497

 

[da_wae]

Well I just did a test in a system with a Y Dwarf(they have very prominent color [big grin])

This is close to star




This is further out




This is close to star




This is further out



There may be a hint of pink left on the galaxy backdrop(?), but it is miniscule.



Magellanic clouds. No pink

Literally unplayable.

 

[krautbernd]

Literally unplayable.

Has anyone actually stated that it is, though? Or do you keep spouting that just to bump this thread? Point is that the current lighting system is inconsistent and bugged in multiple ways, and those screenshot illustrate some of those issues.