I think it's been predicted before that when the next DLC comes along, the base game will be ED and Horizons combined. Have to wait and see.
Okay FDEV time to make elite fair..FOR EVERYONE!
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I think it's been predicted before that when the next DLC comes along, the base game will be ED and Horizons combined. Have to wait and see.
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People are going to flip when the next paid expansion comes along.
I believe this will happen as well.
When the next paid DLC comes out, Horizons should be part of the base game makes good sense to me.
Wow has been around longer appeals toa wider audience. Not played it myself or likely to. When they release new dlc there is usually a drop in price of base or consolidation. Its a licenced game u never really own it.
What about Microsoft pricing ?
Is this just snowflakes why have to pay for stuff that cost money to create?
If u call a plumber they expect to be paid even if they don't do anything . Its for there time.
There are other more adult specific example that cant be mentioned here.
do understand the concept of break even
marginal cost
There is a cash for credit scandal going on right now.
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It also makes it easier to mange development and business wise. Bye bye Native Mac version.
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OP Did you ever wondered that your (invalid) opinion and ideas are useless and unimportant ?
Do you believe Horizons delivered? The planetary improvements, bug and stability fixes etc have all been a long time coming and even now there are some major issues still remaining.
Beyond has released with many new ships, with many paid for cosmetics. FDev know fine people are paying for these, hence none of them being in game unlockables.
Like I said. It's the people throwing that "FREE" argument about to downplay the mannerism in which these updates are being handled. If Q4 was paid for then the backlash would have been too severe, considering the audacious bugs released following a long beta where "YOU", the community, did the work testing their product, it seems.
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Im still trying to get my head around your argument. Growing up I was taught to save up for stuff from pocket money doing chores/ Birthdays etc. As an adult there are plenty of stuff I simply cant afford. So either I need to wait sand save up. Find a way to earn more money or do without.
There always seems to be money for s and alcohol.
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Its seems snowflakes have forgotten stuff cost money to make which has to recouped.
[cutting that bit for your own protection]
Cmon man that's a bit harsh - snowflake? You (and everyone else) have no idea the OP's financial situation, for all we know the OP lives in a third world country, DID save up monies from chores to buy the base game, to run on the family PC that's 10+ years old (ED was designed to do that) and he gets a few hours per week to play as a reward for good school reports, because the satellite internet costs money as there's no offline mode (shame on you FDev for that suckerpunch), and is shared between 10 houses.
And now he's just found out he's got to deal with engineered NPC's.
Entirely a possibility, yet all of you have in your head an image of some snowflake entitled teen or childish adult, who lives in a first world country, with all mods cons, wall to wall electricity and a sustained internet connection who's trying to get a freebie - did the Spirit of Empathy die while I was in the shower or something?
sheesh
#Ithoughtitwaschristmas
Did you ever wonder why you have no friends talking like that?
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You're right.
while i feel the discussion has drifted off from the OP somewhat, it seems that there are two distinct and almost exlusive arguments being... erm... argued... here.
EDIT BIG MISTAKE (missed the NON in the below line).
One is : Non Horizons players are being forced to engage with superior emenies armed with ships, weapons and engineering that they don't have access to, thus FD should ditch the original game and make Horizons the defacto base game.
Second is: Horizons is so cheap you should just buy it.
While I understand the second point, I feel that the principle is being lost here.
ED is not a free to play. if the base Elite was free, then I can understand the players becoming disadvantaged once they reached master and start going up against engineered opponents. But it's not... so casual players who bought the original Elite a year or so ago and only managed to play it a few hours a week or per month, or maybe didnt get around to playing it for a year or so (I have games I've purchased two or three years ago but haven't got round to playing yet) might feel a bit hard done by... I will admit that this demographic is likely a very, very slim one, however.
The fact is, like an Apple PC or phone, the functionality is being whittled away as time passes. It's not about the cost, it's about the principle of encouraging / forcing users to upgrade.
Why did I mentione apple? Well, as time goes by, apple drop compatibility of older computers' functions such as updating the browser to modern standards, syncing email and address book, contacts etc. Functions that once worked perfectly actually cease to work, so the old idea that a computer is as capable as the day you bought it no longer holds.
In effect, the computers or phones you once relied on, while still being physically as powerful as they were on the day of purchase (bar battery life, potentially) that are still well powerful enough for daily use are being hamstrung with a less and less favourable environment until they become painful to operate.
As ED marches on, those players who had no interest in purchasing a DLC are similarly hamstrung WITHOUT CHOICE.
It's not questioning whether the stingy FudWack can't afford a fiver, it's about a purchase, tied to a mandatory update cycle linked to an online account is totally at the behest of the publisher and the owner has ZERO say in the direction of that game.
Compare this to NMS... Believer it or not, are actually some owners who prefer the original, simple version of the game without all the minecraft like crafting and complex ship repairs etc. THey still have the original DVD that they can fire up and use without patching or downloading and ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME THEY PURCHASED.
TL;DR/DC
ED is a glorified prepaid license not a purchase.
Don't get me wrong, I bought in at Alpha level and have no regrets. It's just I see that people are arguing the principle of something with statements like "But it's only $7" Well in some places $7 is an entire mornings' salary after paying maybe several days salary for the base game. But again that's not the point: even more than that, it's the principle of a purchase belonging to the purchaser rather than purchasing a zero guarantee license at the behest of the publisher.
EDIT BIG MISTAKE (missed the NON in the below line).
One is : Non Horizons players are being forced to engage with superior emenies armed with ships, weapons and engineering that they don't have access to, thus FD should ditch the original game and make Horizons the defacto base game.
Second is: Horizons is so cheap you should just buy it.
While I understand the second point, I feel that the principle is being lost here.
ED is not a free to play. if the base Elite was free, then I can understand the players becoming disadvantaged once they reached master and start going up against engineered opponents. But it's not... so casual players who bought the original Elite a year or so ago and only managed to play it a few hours a week or per month, or maybe didnt get around to playing it for a year or so (I have games I've purchased two or three years ago but haven't got round to playing yet) might feel a bit hard done by... I will admit that this demographic is likely a very, very slim one, however.
The fact is, like an Apple PC or phone, the functionality is being whittled away as time passes. It's not about the cost, it's about the principle of encouraging / forcing users to upgrade.
Why did I mentione apple? Well, as time goes by, apple drop compatibility of older computers' functions such as updating the browser to modern standards, syncing email and address book, contacts etc. Functions that once worked perfectly actually cease to work, so the old idea that a computer is as capable as the day you bought it no longer holds.
In effect, the computers or phones you once relied on, while still being physically as powerful as they were on the day of purchase (bar battery life, potentially) that are still well powerful enough for daily use are being hamstrung with a less and less favourable environment until they become painful to operate.
As ED marches on, those players who had no interest in purchasing a DLC are similarly hamstrung WITHOUT CHOICE.
It's not questioning whether the stingy FudWack can't afford a fiver, it's about a purchase, tied to a mandatory update cycle linked to an online account is totally at the behest of the publisher and the owner has ZERO say in the direction of that game.
Compare this to NMS... Believer it or not, are actually some owners who prefer the original, simple version of the game without all the minecraft like crafting and complex ship repairs etc. THey still have the original DVD that they can fire up and use without patching or downloading and ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME THEY PURCHASED.
TL;DR/DC
ED is a glorified prepaid license not a purchase.
Don't get me wrong, I bought in at Alpha level and have no regrets. It's just I see that people are arguing the principle of something with statements like "But it's only $7" Well in some places $7 is an entire mornings' salary after paying maybe several days salary for the base game. But again that's not the point: even more than that, it's the principle of a purchase belonging to the purchaser rather than purchasing a zero guarantee license at the behest of the publisher.
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I agree that non-Horizons players should not have to go up against engineered ships or thargoids, but for goodness sake with Horizons on sale for $7 I think folks would be happier just spending the cash to avoid the issue?
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To be honest this is my thought too. In the words of Chandler Bing......"Could it BE any cheaper?"
At least he made a better point that your pathetic attempt at something...
I don't think there are any anymore. There was that one guy used to complain about it all the time in every thread but he moved on.
Now its just a theoretical issue raised by people with horizons on behalf of people who are not here, or are not complaining about it. Either way not a real issue.
ED is already very cheap now, like a typical pseudo-retro-pixelated-indie-game. The only downside is having two separate items in the store for the base game and horizons, I guess? I think it's not that hard to click "add to my cart" two times instead of one. But this way people can buy the base game for even less bucks if they're short on cash or they want to try the game before spending more money on it since 2 hours in the steam policy aren't enough for a project like ED (2 hours? It's the initial controls setup and checks). So the current product management is actually more convenient than merging it all with single price.
Definately it delivered some of the best value for money I've ever had in gaming. You always get some minor bugs.
Cosmetic sales were the alternative to subscription IIRC, as a non cosmetic buyer I think its great. Anyone who wants to can buy them or not, and FDEV makes money. Everyone wins nobody loses no impact at all on free content.
Nothing you've said there or above has any impact on beyond being free at all.
People threw tantrums about not having beta access in the past, people like and enjoy doing it now everyone gets to do it. If they don't they should opt out of doing it, either way beyonds free.