the FSS, watching paint dry....

[Ralph Vargr]

That's the saddest part of this, 5 years in and you still can't shut Chris Roberts* up - whereas David Braben has ghosted.
As for the FSS, I like it! but I do think the honk should still show undiscovered planets (if only in wireframe with no info).

* Yea, I know he still is focused on selling bitmap ships and land plots but he still has that enthusiam in his eyes.

He's made his money, and he got his baby out the door, more or less.

Now, he's free to concentrate on being boss.

We are free to not spend money or time on something that won't get polished. Or, just live with what we have. Stage 5 is very liberating.

 

[Dutchman141]

This discussion realy went on the entirety of new years eve!?!!?!?
Sheesh.

Happy new year guys........

 

[askavir]

This discussion realy went on the entirety of new years eve!?!!?!?
Sheesh.

Happy new year guys........

That's how much we all love each other.

 

[Rat Catcher]

Who's Chris Roberts? (I'm a hermit so don't keep up with the news!)

 

[Riverside]

And I’m out of time again. I know I caught up on the rest of this thread, but still...

Good to read through your thought process

I have seen an awful lot of gas giants and other than codex box ticking they hold little interest for me, I am generally looking for small moons, quite often as small & cold as possible (and landable) but sometimes I go for other landables; anything else is only interesting for it's monetary value.

The other reason for doing the moons once I find a gas giant is to avoid going back over ground I already covered - I am optimising my path through the system fully exploring each branching path before moving on to the next.

The main reason for doing this is speed - I want to get that fully populated sysmap as quickly as possible. You may note that once the sysmap was complete at around the 4min mark I quickly returned to knowing exactly what I was doing (the cursor movement is much quicker & more precise), quickly established that there was little of interest (to me) and selected the smallest moon out of the two that I found volcanic activity on.

Similarly once I reached the POI it was a type I've seen many times (as the 2,500Cr codex voucher confirmed) even on this one trip alone. The assets were ones I had seen even more times because one fumerole looks just the same as another, and one lava spout looks just the same as another too. Composition scanning it tells you which specific type it is but mat gathering aside (I have plenty and can easily find more if I need it) I didn't even bother to land for a screenshot these things are so common now.

If you or anyone else would like to show a similar vid showing a typical path from beginning to end (jump in to jump out) I'd be much more interested in that than divisive mud slinging.

 

[Stigbob]

Who's Chris Roberts? (I'm a hermit so don't keep up with the news!)

The cinematic genius who brought Wing Commander to the silver screen.

 

[Darkfyre99]

Good to read through your thought process

I have seen an awful lot of gas giants and other than codex box ticking they hold little interest for me, I am generally looking for small moons, quite often as small & cold as possible (and landable) but sometimes I go for other landables; anything else is only interesting for it's monetary value.

Main reason for my “gas giant first” approach is that they make stopping at a tiny ball of ice and rock much quicker than one out all by its lonesome. Granted, climbing out or their gravity well is a chore, which is why I save that kind of destination for last, so I can jump right out.

The other reason for doing the moons once I find a gas giant is to avoid going back over ground I already covered - I am optimising my path through the system fully exploring each branching path before moving on to the next.

The main reason for doing this is speed - I want to get that fully populated sysmap as quickly as possible. You may note that once the sysmap was complete at around the 4min mark I quickly returned to knowing exactly what I was doing (the cursor movement is much quicker & more precise), quickly established that there was little of interest (to me) and selected the smallest moon out of the two that I found volcanic activity on.

When I reached that part of your video, I had an “Ah! A mouse user!” moment.

Similarly once I reached the POI it was a type I've seen many times (as the 2,500Cr codex voucher confirmed) even on this one trip alone. The assets were ones I had seen even more times because one fumerole looks just the same as another, and one lava spout looks just the same as another too. Composition scanning it tells you which specific type it is but mat gathering aside (I have plenty and can easily find more if I need it) I didn't even bother to land for a screenshot these things are so common now.

One of the many reasons why I like landing on planets and moons is that it gives me an excuse to take my SRV out for a spin. Taking “surface samples” in difficult terrain can be a lot of fun... as long as you land your ship somewhere that is accessible. During my sole session last week, I kind of forgot to look before I leaped. :O Parkouring back up, SRV style, was kind of fun, though it did take half an hour to get it right.

If you or anyone else would like to show a similar vid showing a typical path from beginning to end (jump in to jump out) I'd be much more interested in that than divisive mud slinging.

Agreed.

 

[Rat Catcher]

...If you or anyone else would like to show a similar vid showing a typical path from beginning to end (jump in to jump out) I'd be much more interested in that than divisive mud slinging.

Mine would be boring, much slower in comparison and I'd likely visit several sites on a Geo body to look around and gather materials. Unlike your method to complete FSS and return to Sysmap I'd take my time in getting the details in FSS before opening the orrery more often that not. Although I open the Nav Panel on arrival (after honk) to see if there are any NSP's.

 

[Riverside]

Main reason for my “gas giant first” approach is that they make stopping at a tiny ball of ice and rock much quicker than one out all by its lonesome. Granted, climbing out or their gravity well is a chore, which is why I save that kind of destination for last, so I can jump right out.



When I reached that part of your video, I had an “Ah! A mouse user!” moment.



One of the many reasons why I like landing on planets and moons is that it gives me an excuse to take my SRV out for a spin. Taking “surface samples” in difficult terrain can be a lot of fun... as long as you land your ship somewhere that is accessible. During my sole session last week, I kind of forgot to look before I leaped. :O Parkouring back up, SRV style, was kind of fun, though it did take half an hour to get it right.



Agreed.

I use a hotas for flight (t-16000FCS) but yes I use the mouse for the sysmap, galmap & other menus, and for headlook (not used in that vid). My mouse is to the right of my stick. I use the keyboard for a few things too, none of my controls require a shift button although some are context sensitive.

I have spent 33 weeks in-game (just over 5,500 hours) and have travelled 15.7MM in my SRV; I like driving it too & a lot of that was spent searching for stuff on landable planets. It was an enormous challenge that most players didn't take to, but the things I had spent all that time looking for across the galaxy have become so commonplace it's difficult to motivate myself to dismiss the ship & just drive for 100km across a crater at the moment. Perhaps some other motivation will come along eventually, I'm not exactly the type to just give up

I wonder how many others share your style of exploration. Perhaps I would have enjoyed that at the beginning too, but I have visited 34,000 systems now and that magic moment of prolonging the reveal, if it was ever in me, is gone. I just want to know as quickly as possible that this room is empty so I can move on to the next one. I have the tenacity, I have the time, but I no longer have the patience to jump through the hoops of the FSS, particularly when I had the tool I wanted before and it was needlessly removed.

 

[Riverside]

Mine would be boring, much slower in comparison and I'd likely visit several sites on a Geo body to look around and gather materials. Unlike your method to complete FSS and return to Sysmap I'd take my time in getting the details in FSS before opening the orrery more often that not. Although I open the Nav Panel on arrival (after honk) to see if there are any NSP's.

I think mine is boring, and judging by the youtube stats most other viewers do too. Put it up anyway, what's the worst that can happen? I'm not going to berate you for poor technique


ETA Just describe your typical approach if you prefer, how it is similar or different from what Darkfyre99 & I describe. I'd like to see how others approach the new system though.

 

[Jenner]

Star Citizen thread is thattaway:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/463697-The-Star-Citizen-Thread-V10

 

[Burke]

I was thinking, how there are those disinformation posts about "oh 95% think FSS is engaging" whatever.. There was a post a while back showing steam numbers of what was it? 13000? and i thought, population of this forum and then this thread, got to be couple hundred absolute max. And i thought, most of those players dont really even realise the changes the new exploration has made. It seems like half the people flying about reveal a couple planets and think they are seeing the entire system, others are in the bubble and think the system map hasnt changed. There isnt going to be a flood of complaints if they cant even tell anything changed. The only people this hurts are the deep space explorers who constantly travel in virgin systems. You can understand why i might think this was designed to troll that group cant you? and as i predicted, all the new content is on its way to being used up, the fuss is fading. The entire thing has been nothing but damaging. Makes me wonder about the motives of some who celebrate a little too much, who praise a little too hard.

 

[Riverside]

I was thinking, how there are those disinformation posts about "oh 95% think FSS is engaging" whatever.. There was a post a while back showing steam numbers of what was it? 13000? and i thought, population of this forum and then this thread, got to be couple hundred absolute max. And i thought, most of those players dont really even realise the changes the new exploration has made. It seems like half the people flying about reveal a couple planets and think they ae seeing the entire system, others are in the bubble and think the system map hanst changed. There isnt going to be a flood of complaints if they cant even tell anything changed. The only people this hurts are the deep space explorers who constantly travel in virgin systems. You can understand why i might think this was designed to troll that group cant you? and as i predicted, all the new content is on its way to being used up, the fuss is fading. The entire thing has been nothing but damaging. Makes me wonder about the motives of some who celebrate a little too much, who praise a little hard.

Probably trying to brainwash you

The numbers don't matter, the vast majority probably don't care either way because they never leave the bubble.

 

[Stigbob]

I was thinking, how there are those disinformation posts about "oh 95% think FSS is engaging" whatever.. There was a post a while back showing steam numbers of what was it? 13000? and i thought, population of this forum and then this thread, got to be couple hundred absolute max. And i thought, most of those players dont really even realise the changes the new exploration has made. It seems like half the people flying about reveal a couple planets and think they are seeing the entire system, others are in the bubble and think the system map hasnt changed. There isnt going to be a flood of complaints if they cant even tell anything changed. The only people this hurts are the deep space explorers who constantly travel in virgin systems. You can understand why i might think this was designed to troll that group cant you? and as i predicted, all the new content is on its way to being used up, the fuss is fading. The entire thing has been nothing but damaging. Makes me wonder about the motives of some who celebrate a little too much, who praise a little hard.

Conspiracy theories are great fun.

 

[M00ka]

I was thinking, how there are those disinformation posts about "oh 95% think FSS is engaging" whatever.. There was a post a while back showing steam numbers of what was it? 13000? and i thought, population of this forum and then this thread, got to be couple hundred absolute max. And i thought, most of those players dont really even realise the changes the new exploration has made. It seems like half the people flying about reveal a couple planets and think they are seeing the entire system, others are in the bubble and think the system map hasnt changed. There isnt going to be a flood of complaints if they cant even tell anything changed. The only people this hurts are the deep space explorers who constantly travel in virgin systems. You can understand why i might think this was designed to troll that group cant you? and as i predicted, all the new content is on its way to being used up, the fuss is fading. The entire thing has been nothing but damaging. Makes me wonder about the motives of some who celebrate a little too much, who praise a little hard.

And exactly the same can be said for those who are screaming and yelling that the new exploration tools have destroyed exploration and players are leaving in droves.

BOTH sides of this discussion are guilty of exaggeration and hyperbole!

 

[Burke]

And exactly the same can be said for those who are screaming and yelling that the new exploration tools have destroyed exploration and players are leaving in droves.

BOTH sides of this discussion are guilty of exaggeration and hyperbole!

I said i expected lots of people to moan. There havnt been as many as i expected but you can tell the types its upset. Its made me reconsider the playerbase of this game. As an old PC gamer i forget there are lots of younger players and lots of console players around. Long range exploration probably bores the crp out of them. As people say, should have built upwards not took the honk away.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Probably trying to brainwash you

I can't see anyone trying to brainwash anyone else on either side personally.

The numbers don't matter, the vast majority probably don't care either way because they never leave the bubble.

Ooh. Citation please.

 

[Riverside]

As people say, should have built upwards not took the honk away.

This is the point really. There was no need to remove the old stuff. It's not a race to scan the quickest, it only matters who sells their data first (if it matters at all) and that's all on jump range.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I said i expected lots of people to moan. There havnt been as many as i expected but you can tell the types its upset. Its made me reconsider the playerbase of this game. As an old PC gamer i forget there are lots of younger players and lots of console players around. Long range exploration probably bores the crp out of them. As people say, should have built upwards not took the honk away.

Sweeping generalisations are dishonest in nature and are borderline insulting.

 

[M00ka]

I said i expected lots of people to moan. There havnt been as many as i expected but you can tell the types its upset. Its made me reconsider the playerbase of this game. As an old PC gamer i forget there are lots of younger players and lots of console players around. Long range exploration probably bores the crp out of them. As people say, should have built upwards not took the honk away.

Nice profiling, blame it all on the console kiddies [facepalm].

Maybe there isn't as many moaning as you expected because more enjoy the new tools than dislike it - nah that couldn't be right, how could so many get it so wrong ….. As for the types that are upset, a decent of those who are upset and have voiced their distain at the new exploration methods also complain about well every aspect of the game. Some didn't even bother to try the game in Beta but were damn vocal during Beta on how bad it is. And then there are those who have publicly stated they will never explore again, but again, they are experts on how bad everything is with the FSS and DSS.