Future of Elite+Paid For Content

[IamMe]

@ OP; i wouldn't be concerned about FD needing our money that bad since they poured money form Elite into other projects. (That's ok it's business)
What they need is to create quality contnet and sell it, not some season pass with half baked products.
And 30-50€ is quite reasonable price for this game when not on sale, you can't go above that.
If anything should be matter of concern it's current state of the game which is very bad publicity for FD and ED, you can't let game to be this buggy and unplayable for many and let them wait one month for hotfix.

 

[Burke]

it's been a dead stop since it dropped.

Yes it has. I can barely bring myself to log in. And now i know who stole that name

 

[Ralph Vargr]

You always know who’s never seen the inside of a nuclear launch silo or submarine, or knows what’s actually involved in a real nuclear launch, but there is no “button”.

You're a PAL.

 

[Burke]

Buttons beg for accidental presses!

 

[Ralph Vargr]

I'd hope not, she's retired and doesn't play games.

Mine was a Marine, (1/LT, Nurse) and loved games- with knives.

No kidding. She actually played a full D&D session with us. She also had her old K-Bar....

Everybody was *very* respectful, after that.

 

[babelfisch]

Carriers and paid for content in 2018 (along with improved ice planets btw) were clearly communicated as scheduled within a certain timeframe.. So, yeah but no.. Absolutley not "no guarantees or ETA's whatsoever.

They usually say that any announced stuff might change, so I wouldn't be sure about it. It's not important enough to look it up though, my point was that it's not a lie.

 

[babelfisch]

I'll accept 'broken promise' in a context whereby it's announced at the start of the year, and then becomes not viable.

To post an announcement as late as October, and then renege on it is straight out lying to your player base.

Either way in my opinion, anything they [fdev] announce should be taken with a big grain of salt. <- The irony

Edit: Just so we're clear: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-LEP-musings?p=6020972&viewfull=1#post6020972

The post you just linked is more than one year old.

 

[Dillon Fallon]

To post an announcement as late as October, and then renege on it is straight out lying to your player base.

Or a huge problem was spotted at the last minute. It wouldn't be the first time I've seen a project derailed like that. Wouldn't you rather they went back and thought about it a bit more, or would you prefer something to be implemented that is more broken than anything else in the bug report forums right now.

Delays or game breaking bugs are the only 2 choices sometimes.

 

[Sugarat]

They usually say that any announced stuff might change, so I wouldn't be sure about it. It's not important enough to look it up though, my point was that it's not a lie.

Well your point with reference to the "No guarantee's or ETA's" was that it wasn't a broken promise.. Either way I'm not that bothered, but it does kinda sour things with regard to further announcements..

 

[sollisb]

The post you just linked is more than one year old.

An announcement is an announcement? Or is it something different in your planetary location?

"I can assure you" is pretty definite.

My assertion still holds up. They lied.

 

[sollisb]

Or a huge problem was spotted at the last minute. It wouldn't be the first time I've seen a project derailed like that. Wouldn't you rather they went back and thought about it a bit more, or would you prefer something to be implemented that is more broken than anything else in the bug report forums right now.

Delays or game breaking bugs are the only 2 choices sometimes.

I'd agree with you if to were not for the fact that they dumped 3.4 on us then waltzed off on Holidays and left us with broken missions and broken servers.

An assurance in an assurance not a maybe, not a 'it might not happen'.

Either way they have 0 credibility.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

To be fair, at the moment, mission pack theory have no real life evidence at the moment. It is most likely leftovers of scenarios FD are yet to implement.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I'd agree with you if to were not for the fact that they dumped 3.4 on us then waltzed off on Holidays and left us with broken missions and broken servers.

An assurance in an assurance not a maybe, not a 'it might not happen'.

Either way they have 0 credibility.

You got 3.4 already. Man I'm only on 3.3.

Servers and missions seem fine to me.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

An announcement is an announcement? Or is it something different in your planetary location?

"I can assure you" is pretty definite.

My assertion still holds up. They lied.

Your assertion has no facts to back it up. You have no proof that they deliberately tried to deceive people/us.

So how can call that a fact, which an assertion is, is beyond me. It seems to me that it isn't FDev doing the lying here.

 

[Dillon Fallon]

I'd agree with you if to were not for the fact that they dumped 3.4 on us then waltzed off on Holidays and left us with broken missions and broken servers.

An assurance in an assurance not a maybe, not a 'it might not happen'.

Either way they have 0 credibility.

Now, I want to be careful here, as I was one of many locked out of the game for a week because of an insta-crash on loading issue. There isn't much grounds for defending FDev after that.

The only thing I am willing to defend them on is that I don't believe they lied.

Didn't listen to the people struggling to put the update together and forcing through, at best, something that was untested- yes.

Didn't respond to bugs reported in beta leaving these unfixed in the release- undoubtedly (why have a beta if you're not going to deal with the issues).

However, what would it take for you to give up your Christmas for a mistake someone else in your company made? I know what my answer would be.

There is also no gain from them telling this lie. They would know it would just make them look bad when they can't deliver. No company is that short sighted, especially when there's no financial reward for doing so.

So for me, saying they lied is unfair. However, this is only down to the mistakes and delays not being willful.

 

[babelfisch]

Well your point with reference to the "No guarantee's or ETA's" was that it wasn't a broken promise.. Either way I'm not that bothered, but it does kinda sour things with regard to further announcements..

That's why I said 'probably' and 'usually'.

 

[babelfisch]

An announcement is an announcement? Or is it something different in your planetary location?

"I can assure you" is pretty definite.

My assertion still holds up. They lied.

A changing plan is not a lie but a changing plan.

When I told my wife that I want to go to a restaurant this evening but suddenly the roof caught fire and we couldn't make it because the house would burn down, did I lie?

 

[StuartGT]

I'd agree with you if to were not for the fact that they dumped 3.4 on us then waltzed off on Holidays and left us with broken missions and broken servers.

An assurance in an assurance not a maybe, not a 'it might not happen'.

Either way they have 0 credibility.

"3.4" hasn't been stated by FDev. Do you mean 3.3?

The servers and missions are working fine for me (and many others, 11k Steam CMDRs playing now), although at least one of the mission templates may need tweaking.

It is unfortunate that a number of users are affected, and that their issues weren't resolved in 3.3.01 (released 19th Dec; 8 days after 3.3 went live), but it's good that a patch is coming soon which will hopefully resolve the remaining connectivity problems.

 

[Sugarat]

That's why I said 'probably' and 'usually'.

Except it was a broken promise (for want of a better word).. Because there were no caveats given with regard to those features/content..
It's all academic by now anyway.. The point I was trying to make is I can see why some people would be a little more cautious when it comes to future announcements.

 

[sollisb]

A changing plan is not a lie but a changing plan.

When I told my wife that I want to go to a restaurant this evening but suddenly the roof caught fire and we couldn't make it because the house would burn down, did I lie?

Seriously!? You consider "I can assure you" as a changing plan. I consider you a senior player, and fans Fdev, but this is going beyond a joke