High End materials gathering is quite simply worse than before...please acknowledge...

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I have to admit that i used relogging but every time i found the right HGE, i had only 6 or 7 minutes to farm it. So not enough time. i still found 5 outbreak HGE with pharma isolators and maxed it out.

I even found one when astro was live streaming. He couldnt find pharmas for 4 hours or so. At that time i already maxed out pharmas but for fun i went to farack system ( i dont know if its still in outbreak state) and after 45 minutes or so i found another pharma HGEs. I tried to help him but this hge had also 6 minutes time limit. Highest pharma HGE i have seen is 15 minutes time limit.
 
Stop feeding Stigbob . He's a troll. Ignore him.

If I ignore Stigbob, my creative thinking will take a hit. He might be a bit of a source of frustration at times, but he keeps me on my game and entertained sometimes. Hell, you know we even see eye to eye about half the time? :)

Cheers Stiggy for the foil. Seriously.

I'm still going to kill you when I see you in space, but I appreciate the forum pvp practice in general, and the banter, honestly. ;)
 
Yep the new system is horrendous, that's why it will stay, unfortunately. I'm glad I've stockpiled G5 materials using the good ol' system. That's why people need to remember that "worse is better" in the software world.
 
Yep the new system is horrendous, that's why it will stay, unfortunately. I'm glad I've stockpiled G5 materials using the good ol' system. That's why people need to remember that "worse is better" in the software world.

There was no viable way to find HGE in the old system. It literally took days to find a specific mat.
 
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Just saying.

Did anyone found them yet?

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There was no viable way to find HGE in the old system. It literally took days to find a specific mat.

This is not accurate. I've written detailed guidance on this on multiple occasions. I could get you 30 of ANY HGE material in about an hour under the old system. I have videos ready for a guide I was making, but then it all changed so no point.

Vega also has a couple of wars on right now I think and also generates a few HGEs per drop.
 
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Don't even bother with the FSS. Drop in and scan the nav beacon, then jump back into SC and every USS in-system will be identified.

It at least makes it faster to determine if there are HGEs present at all or if you should just be moving to the next system.
 
Don't even bother with the FSS. Drop in and scan the nav beacon, then jump back into SC and every USS in-system will be identified.

It at least makes it faster to determine if there are HGEs present at all or if you should just be moving to the next system.

I got so bored I timed it. If there are less than 20 USSes, it's quicker to FSS it for me (I am REALLY fast nowadays). Also, if a system only has one or two bodies, you can use the nav menu to just face the body with the station, target the USSes one by one and resolve them since they tend to be in clusters, it can be quite good. I've also started doing this while en route in SC toward wheerever I'm going, just resolve a few of them to see if there's anything interesting near my destination. :)

Good advice though, to use the Nav, and shoot up a wanted ship or two while you're there. :)

edit: This reminds me of another important thing. If you drop into a system and see only 2 unknown signal sources, that is NOT the total population, it is only the ones within 1000ls (I think). Using the FSS resolves many more (usually) and using the Nav does the same I think.
 
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I spent pretty much all of yesterday farming HGEs.

I was initially looking for easy things that spawn in a number of states, such as CDCs, MGAs, PLAs, PHRs etc. But then I started looking for the more specialised stuff, that I HAD NO PROBLEM FINDING BEFORE 3.3.

I went looking for Pharmaceutical Isolators. I'm a pretty experienced gatherer, I know how to find these. You need a faction (any faction will do now, in a system, it doesn't need to be the controlling one) that is in outbreak state, combined with an HGE spawn (which now also needs to belong to the outbreak faction and be in the outbreak state) in that state. So, I went to eddb.io, and I listed up all the systems where the controlling faction was in Outbreak state. There were some obviously better candidates including one with 25m pop and high tech economy! Jackpot, I'm thinking. I go to the system, I scan the USSes with my FSS, I've become SUPER fast at that now. The last two USSes were both HGEs, that is already EXCELLENT going in the current state of the game, but imagine my glee when one was in Outbreak state and had 33 minutes left!! It wasn't even that far away. Off I went. A few minutes later I arrive in the USS. There hanging in space in front of me, are...12 Proto Heat Radiators. That's odd. I think to myself.

I relogged (current exploit) to get another pop at the HGE, logged in, SC, turn around, drop back in. Again, PHRs. I look at the system map and the states of the factions. Sure enough, this factoin is in boom (which produces HGEs containing PHRs) AS WELL AS outbreak. This would be fine if the HGE I was in was marked 'Boom'. But it wasn't. It was marked outbreak. And did not contain pharma isolators.

Never mind I thought, with that kind of luck, I might find more in another system. I checked all the remaining 4 systems within 100ly of my position that were in outbreak. Not a single one had any HGEs of any kind.

I gave up on Pharma Isos at that point and thought I'd try some improvised components. Again I head to eddb and I list up all the systems that are currently experiencing Civil Unrest, it was 4, and of those, only 2 had Civil Unrest as primary state. Not looking hopeful. Anyway, I dropped into all 4 of those systems. Only one had an HGE, and of course it wasn't civil unrest state.

Pretty annoyed at this point, I started really abusing the exploit. I farmed until disappearance every single HGE I found until I was completely full of CDCs, PHRs, MGAs, PCs, PLAs, I then went to Sirius to trade them. Each 100% FULL other grade 5 (100 materials), when ALL are traded for the OTHER grade 5 you want, give you conversion rate of 100 to 16.

100 to 16.

16.

That's ONE HGE (one usually contains 15 materials on average) if it contained what it should (maybe two at a stretch), in exchange for an hour of using an exploit. Even with the exploit in place, this is cruel and unusual. Without the exploit, there will be no method of farming decent quantities of materials that spawn in secondary and tertiary system states.

We are now 1 month into this. I realise that still isn't long enough for the BGS to do what it needs to do to generate more varied states across the bubble, but that's not my fault. I have ships to engineer.

What concerns me greatly, is that the exploit (the only method to get some of these materials in any quantity) is about to be closed and as yet, we have not heard anything about a solution to the underlying problem...

There are not enough HGEs being spawned and their state cannot be predicted, removing any skill that there was before.

At this point, even with the exploit in place, I'd rather see HGE gathering go back to how it was before. Please, please, FD, hear me, this is the most important thing in the game right now, as it was supposed to be addressed and made better and has been made much, much worse.

Even if you believe that we need another month for the BGS states to sort themselves out, please say that, please at least acknowledge that this isn't what was intended and that you are looking at improving at least HGE spawn rates to beta-like levels (5 to 10 in a system).

Thanks in advance.

I was planning to stock up on G5 mats last night and see if the BGS had sorted itself out, but since I don't really need anything at the moment, decided to explore with my alt account instead. You confirmed my fears that its still a mess. Thanks for doing the grunt work as always.

OTOH, I agree with others that say the new system is an improvement over the old. I was one who often despaired searching in vain for CDCs for hours with no success. This new system takes less time and less despair to get what I need.
 
You are a tryer, I'll give you that. Let;s go! To the death! As they say. :) My forum pvp is strong, I hope you're feeling powerful today or this will be short and boring. :)

I have lots to say apart from lame personal attacks, it's all in the OP. You are the one it seems with nothing to say excpet 'everything is fine'. Everything is not fine, and you are the only one in this topic saying that no changes are needed.

My thread is going great, thanks. 4 pages in no time, largely thanks to your unnecessary barely on topic trolling. You've talked more about my posts aimed at you than you have the topic. At least I'm interspersing my useful posts with foils to you.

I asked you a question you didn't answer. Do you think it's ok that the only way to get certain top end materials from HGEs where they are supposed to be as a reliable source, is to use an exploit to farm 100 of something and then trade that hour's work and 100 materials, for 16 of what you want?

If you do think that is ok, do you think it's still going to be ok after the exploit is closed down?

Your turn!

I've already given my opinion. You ignored it and went on a personal attack spree its further back in the thread if you want to read it.

For the love of god folks. Please stop quoting 'Bob'. Nothing good will come from it trying to debate this with him. Please ignore him, for your and my sake. I'd rather not read his rhetoric. He has his own play style where he does not have these problems. He will go into every thread that discusses a game mechanic in a negative way and preach that you're doing it wrong and that it's your problem. The ignore function works wonders, please consider using it!

If any of you are the toxic 0.1% of gamers who can't cope with alternate views use ignore now. If you choose to do that please remember to try to snipe from behind it in an upset way, I find it hilarious.
 
Got you covered bro, farmed 100 in EZ Aquarii last night. The two lowest factions are at war and you'll get at least 2 HGEs every drop in, just hold out for one in a war state, then take advantage of the exploit before they close it.

+1 rep. I found EZ Aquarii to be a boon to G5 gathering. My Mil SC and Core Dynamics thingies are full, along with some G4 mats that spawn with them.

There was one HGE in a nearby system with PIs, but I only got one shot at it. It was one of those that was far away and expired before I could relog. The HGE didn't reappear after several trips back, so I gave up on it.

It's odd (or is it?) that once I maxed out my Core Dynamics stuff and traded them away, the HGEs started giving out MS and Proto Heat stuff instead. It's like the game sees what you need and makes sure you get something else. Now, where did I put my tin foil hat?
 
I'm done Engineering until this gets fixed. Beating my head against a broken/cruelly designed garbage system isn't how I will spend my time in game. I already hated the process even when it worked. If it doesn't get fixed, that's ok. My time with this game is in its final stages.
 
Don't even bother with the FSS. Drop in and scan the nav beacon, then jump back into SC and every USS in-system will be identified.

It at least makes it faster to determine if there are HGEs present at all or if you should just be moving to the next system.

+1 rep. That's what I do.
 
If any of you are the toxic 0.1% of gamers who can't cope with alternate views use ignore now. If you choose to do that please remember to try to snipe from behind it in an upset way, I find it hilarious.

What? And miss out on the mustache? You gotta be kidding. That, and the Space 1999 thing. Nope, not gonna do it.
 
I've already given my opinion. You ignored it and went on a personal attack spree its further back in the thread if you want to read it.



If any of you are the toxic 0.1% of gamers who can't cope with alternate views use ignore now. If you choose to do that please remember to try to snipe from behind it in an upset way, I find it hilarious.

Would you mind terribly reiterating your opinion on those two specific points, I can't seem to find your response?

How funny that you would mention 1%. How many people are in agreement with you on this thread Stiggy? maybe 1%? ;)

P.S. You're not exactly shy on the poorly veiled personal attacks yourself. Can we have the personal attacks AND the discussion? Or are you only capable of one or the other? If the latter, please could we discuss the issue that you think doesn't exist for a minute and get back to attacking each other shortly? :)
 
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