High End materials gathering is quite simply worse than before...please acknowledge...

[dekot]

The bgs is broken in myriad ways. You didn't know this? As for you finding HGEs easily, I don't know what to tell you. I'd like to be playing your version of the game, that's for sure, but even if I was that wouldn't solve the issues raised in this thread.

I'm not 100% positive on this but if you find an HGE in a system, that system will always have an HGE. So if the one HGE in the system de-spawns, another HGE will almost immediately respawn. This has been the case for me so far. So once you find a suitable system (no super far-away stars) with an HGE, make a mental note of it and when you need mats, as long as the state remains the same, you will most likely find an HGE there.

 

[MottiKhan]

Go to any Empire-allied system with a high population and no state. The one I used was Yuror, it's less than 20 Ly away from a mat trader at Abasses. I have farmed 100 IS from a single HGE, jumped to the trader, traded them all, and went back to the SAME HGE to continue farming it. That's how fast it is.

Have fun.

+1 rep. Thanks. I'll only have about 30 minutes a night for the game this week and none for the weekend. But if this pans out, I can fill up my G5 mats without wasting too much time.

 

[MottiKhan]

I'm not 100% positive on this but if you find an HGE in a system, that system will always have an HGE. So if the one HGE in the system de-spawns, another HGE will almost immediately respawn. This has been the case for me so far. So once you find a suitable system (no super far-away stars) with an HGE, make a mental note of it and when you need mats, as long as the state remains the same, you will most likely find an HGE there.

In my experience, once the HGE expires, it takes 20 or more minutes to respawn in most cases. Although this has been mainly in Fed space with lots of independents. I did better in most areas of the game when I was in Imp space. The credits and mats were flowing freely. But that was also before chapter 4.

 

[Shir]

Just go to random systems and hunt down HGEs. Find one and farm it, you should max it on about 10 relogs (20 mins?)

 

[dekot]

I'll see how it goes with my old and feeble reflexes.

If none in Yuror, try next door at Shilli. Actually now that I think about it, it might have been Shilli. Both should work though.

 

[D3rv1sh]

The bgs is broken in myriad ways. You didn't know this? As for you finding HGEs easily, I don't know what to tell you. I'd like to be playing your version of the game, that's for sure, but even if I was that wouldn't solve the issues raised in this thread.

You're debating the internal workings of the BGS with someone who can't even admit that the G5 mats in question should be obtainable by searching signal sources. Even when the game clearly describes them as having the same rarity and that they are known to be salvaged from signal sources. Even when in fact these are found in signal sources in game. You are wasting your time.

 

[Shir]

Just go to random systems and hunt down HGEs. Find one and farm it, you should easily max it on about 8-9 relogs (15~20 mins?). This works for 2-3 types of grade 5 mats, for the rest go to a trader. Not a good solution I agree, but it works for now, and it is a lot faster than before 3.3, I've farmed A LOT of ships.

I hope the BGS settles down, or a patch fixes the shortage.

 

[Dutchman141]

Just go to random systems and hunt down HGEs. Find one and farm it, you should max it on about 10 relogs (20 mins?)

Yeah and I bet that's the intended gameplay, relogging.
Just like the guardian sites for getting materials or data.
Don't get me wrong, I'm realy happy with 3.3, one of the best updates ever but this relogging thing should not be an option to get needed materials, not as being possible or a necessity imho.

 

[Sylow]

The BGS is still bedding in after the states all got reset to none on update day, so changing states will take time. Give it a few weeks and there will probably be more variety. Just as the claims it was jammed died away as people realized there's a period of hidden (not static) influence after conflicts completed. I'm not convinced its broken, I think its changed and we don't understand how (yet).

That old method may no longer work, mine is working fine though.

I think basically you're looking at the whole thing from a different angle. You see a valid workaround and state that based on it, things are fine. But the thread is not just about a possible workaround. It's about a possible bug.

If you go for a HGE which is marked as "outbreak", i would expect to get materials based on the outbreak state. It's not without reason, that the materials even in their own description have info, which state they are connected to. So while what you say is true in terms of gameplay, it's also true from a technical point of view, that we might be looking at a bug. I mean, the whole system of HGEs, finding and identifying them, was reworked in the big patch.

It's not like there couldn't be any bugs. It might just be a display bug, or a deeper burried bug. We can't tell yet. This thing wasn't visible in the beta yet, due to lack of BGS states. Only now BGS states get around and we can take a look. So it really would be worth collecting data on the situation. It can turn out that there's no problem and it was just a matter of chance and random. It might be one of several possible bugs. We don't know yet. But it's worth investigating.

And this is what this thread could have been: collecting data about a possible issue. Instead, it's now a muddled mess of "there could be an issue" vs. "but i have a method to work around it, so it doesn't affect me". I'd really be more interested in more data, to perhaps get a pointer on the root cause of what Aashen observed, than to be told about an already known workaround for this problem.

 

[dekot]

Yeah and I bet that's the intended gameplay, relogging.
Just like the guardian sites for getting materials or data.
Don't get me wrong, I'm realy happy with 3.3, one of the best updates ever but this relogging thing should not be an option to get needed materials, not as being possible or a necessity imho.

Guardians convinced me that FD wants players to relog for gameplay purposes. Either that or they are supremely incompetent at designing these things.

 

[Speedcuffs]

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...same-HGE-USS?p=7243615&viewfull=1#post7243615

 

[D3rv1sh]

Guardians convinced me that FD wants players to relog for gameplay purposes. Either that or they are supremely incompetent at designing these things.

That and settlements like Dav's Hope.

 

[D3rv1sh]

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...same-HGE-USS?p=7243615&viewfull=1#post7243615

Hence my urge to restock all G5 mats quickly.

 

[Stigbob]

You're debating the internal workings of the BGS with someone who can't even admit that the G5 mats in question should be obtainable by searching signal sources. Even when the game clearly describes them as having the same rarity and that they are known to be salvaged from signal sources. Even when in fact these are found in signal sources in game. You are wasting your time.

I'm not having any issues finding mats. Maybe your approach is flawed.

 

[Mangal Oemie]

I don't think the BGS is broken. People were saying that, but as they learn more its being mentioned far less often. There are far more tools for us to track it in game now as well.....

It's mentioned less, because people are getting tired of updating their bug threads daily for now 3 weeks or so. Our longest running conflict has now been going for 25 days straight. The BGS is stuck in the vast majority of systems for our faction, to the point where we've practically abandoned testing new mechanics.

I also suspect that the HGE issue flows from this. Until Ch4, there was only one relevant system state, and now there are more. That an outbreak HGE shows Boom content suggest to me another bug that it just doesn't really properly know what state to generate the HGE for. Or maybe that works, but then the filling of the content gets it wrong.

But with large segments of the BGS stuck, many BGS mechanics simply not working at all, and even continuing reports that missions run for one faction led to an influence gain of another means that currently the BGS and anything that relies on it, is absolutely, utterly and horribly broken. I am glad that the team had a good holiday. But now that normal life has returned, it should be high priority to fix the BGS bugs, and at the very least unstuck it.


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[Stigbob]

I think basically you're looking at the whole thing from a different angle. You see a valid workaround and state that based on it, things are fine. But the thread is not just about a possible workaround. It's about a possible bug.

If you go for a HGE which is marked as "outbreak", i would expect to get materials based on the outbreak state. It's not without reason, that the materials even in their own description have info, which state they are connected to. So while what you say is true in terms of gameplay, it's also true from a technical point of view, that we might be looking at a bug. I mean, the whole system of HGEs, finding and identifying them, was reworked in the big patch.

It's not like there couldn't be any bugs. It might just be a display bug, or a deeper burried bug. We can't tell yet. This thing wasn't visible in the beta yet, due to lack of BGS states. Only now BGS states get around and we can take a look. So it really would be worth collecting data on the situation. It can turn out that there's no problem and it was just a matter of chance and random. It might be one of several possible bugs. We don't know yet. But it's worth investigating.

And this is what this thread could have been: collecting data about a possible issue. Instead, it's now a muddled mess of "there could be an issue" vs. "but i have a method to work around it, so it doesn't affect me". I'd really be more interested in more data, to perhaps get a pointer on the root cause of what Aashen observed, than to be told about an already known workaround for this problem.

True its a fundamentally different outlook.

I don't look at it as a workaround, its my go to method for getting G5 mats. I'm not a grinder so my requirements are lower and there's no time pressure for me, next week or just not bothering is fine. The reason I don't see any of these half empty HGE's could well be that I've never spent a whole evening on HGE's so I've seen less of them, about half an hour would be my limit before I went off and started doing something else.

My approach to engineering, and the whole game itself is just different in that I don't feel the need to do anything other than what I want. What I want never involves grinding. YMMV.

 

[D3rv1sh]

I'm not having any issues finding mats. Maybe your approach is flawed.

Hmmm that must be why my G5 mats are fully stocked without using those 6:1 trade ratios you love using so much. Thanks for pointing that out Bob, much appreciated. Doesn't change anything about the decreased availability of certain very rare G5 mats though. Weather you believe or don't believe the BGS reset from Frontier has anything to do with it doesn't matter to me. Nor does it change that they're intended to be found salvaging signal sources and the material trader being a complementary way of getting them and not necessarily a primary means. You use your way Bob and be happy, I'll use mine and be happy with the results I get. Even though I'm not happy about the availability of certain G5 mats through signal source searching. I know it's tough to swallow for you but try to accept that there are players who don't want to trade for a very rare G5 mat in bulk against a 6:1 ratio. But do keep telling my approach is flawed... If that makes you happy of course.

 

[Spacecat]

I played for the first time since the update yesterday and blundered into two of them without even trying, so they do still exist.

 

[MottiKhan]

If none in Yuror, try next door at Shilli. Actually now that I think about it, it might have been Shilli. Both should work though.

I found them in Shilli. Thanks for the tip. It took a bit more time than I should have spent in the game. About 40 minutes, but the wife is forgiving.

No time to trade the Imp Shielding in. I had to log out in the HGE when they were full. I'll do some trading tomorrow.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Go to Lockdown systems and look for Pirate Activity Detected Threat Level 7. Full of engineered Anacondas that drop G5 mats.

I'll try that thanks.