Bots in LYR

[Feros-da-Grundig]

Well, yes, of course that would be the preference, but I didn't want my suggestion to go ignored as unrealistic, this is FD we're talking about here, gotta add some grind or they'll never go for it.

They can couple it with finding enough HGE since that's easy as pie now. We'll say uhh... the emissions contain valuable blueprint data that Rah Tah's nephew E.Z. Tah needs in Shinrarta.

I am so god damn happy I forced myself to get rear admiral and duke 2 days before the mission board catastroph... err, widely requested fix.

 

[Threeofseven]

Go on, I'll bite..

Explain to me, how currently we have bots in open, and you want to make PP open only. So how does that actually fix anything ?

Hidden agenda ? Ruse to make PP open only maybe ?

Maybe because AFK ships will be sitting ducks to actual players?

 

[Leadfoot]

Go on, I'll bite.. Explain to me, how currently we have bots in open, and you want to make PP open only. So how does that actually fix anything ? Hidden agenda ? Ruse to make PP open only maybe ?

Maybe because AFK ships will be sitting ducks to actual players?

The whole point of making PP Open only was so that ALL players involved can interact (in ways both good and bad) with other players (this would have to include cross-platform activities to truly be effective even in the slightest way). I doubt bots can be done on PS4 or Xbox systems but this would mean any players of any power can directly affect how effective preparations can be, as well as one power being able to physically dominate another through sheer numbers.

The one thing about bots is that they appear to have a set pattern. That pattern can be recognized by other players. Those other players can notify support wings to actively stop these bots from doing their thing. If they're programmed to log out when touched in any way by another player, then THAT'S the procedure you use to defeat them. And if they're programmed to combat-log out when this happens, they can be reported to FD. That raises their profile to FD.

Making things visible to other players is what the whole "Make PP Open Only" idea is all about.

And I hope I've analyzed the situation correctly, as I don't even know how to do a macro yet.

 

[Deareim]

Bots have still never been confirmed. It's the same paranoid rumour mungers cropping up every time the word bot is mentioned, with the occasional new convert.

Confirmed by whom ? Do you really think FD will say that bots are existing IG ? Seriously.

FYI - I don t like AEDC but they have proofs, AOS also. So, you don't want to see it that is one thing, saying it doesn t exist is another. Just ask your beloved mobius faction....

 

[da_wae]

Sorry if this bursts anyone bubble, but if people are already programming bots for the game - making PP Open only would not fix the issue with bots, at all. It's fairly trivial (especially when compared to programming a usable bot), to setup a few firewall rules that make your Open game essentially into a Solo experience. Unless FDEV radically re-engineers the network stack, it's a moot point.

 

[Crimson Kaim]

Open Only Does not fix bot problems!


Many, many threads discussing this.

As someone who studies computer science and is actively involved in robotics plus has year long experience with PvP and powerplay I can say that it does fix this problem to a great extend.
Bots usually only have a specific purpose and lack in general skills and thus will ignore interdictions etc.
However, open only PP doesn't completely solve this issue as bots will work in open play too. A client side fix is needed sonner or later.

 

[da_wae]

As someone who studies computer science and is actively involved in robotics plus has year long experience with PvP and powerplay I can say that it does fix this problem to a great extend.
Bots usually only have a specific purpose and lack in general skills and thus will ignore interdictions etc.
However, open only PP doesn't completely solve this issue as bots will work in open play too. A client side fix is needed sonner or later.

Except they don't need to make the bots any smarter. Just add a few firewall rules and "Open" turns into "Solo" LMAO.

 

[Brrokk]

Bots have still never been confirmed. It's the same paranoid rumour mungers cropping up every time the word bot is mentioned, with the occasional new convert.

I'm on the fence about this. I fully believe that some player groups are sincerely convinced they've been impacted by bots, but all the evidence which has been shared is circumstantial. I also think the difficulty of setting up a successful bot program is underestimated (I have considerable software development experience) and I find it hard to believe someone would do this in a game with no RL benefits (money) at stake.

One troubling detail is that bots were said to have first been seen in Open and then switched to Solo. I find it hard to believe someone clever enough to set up a bot would make such a daft mistake.

So there may be bots out there, or it may be all just a misinterpretation of other players' actions. I have no way of knowing which, but I hope FD have.

 

[Vandaahl]

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[Deareim]

As someone who studies computer science and is actively involved in robotics plus has year long experience with PvP and powerplay I can say that it does fix this problem to a great extend.
Bots usually only have a specific purpose and lack in general skills and thus will ignore interdictions etc.
However, open only PP doesn't completely solve this issue as bots will work in open play too. A client side fix is needed sonner or later.

I think you need to go back to your studies. Take network option and automation.

By the way, I hope you didn t pay for the previous one as it seems they tricked you.

 

[babelfisch]

As someone who studies computer science and is actively involved in robotics plus has year long experience with PvP and powerplay I can say that it does fix this problem to a great extend.
Bots usually only have a specific purpose and lack in general skills and thus will ignore interdictions etc.
However, open only PP doesn't completely solve this issue as bots will work in open play too. A client side fix is needed sonner or later.

You can easily remove other players from your instance in Open by adding a few rules in your router configuration. There are guides available how to do it in less than 5 minutes.

 

[Bigmaec]

You can easily remove other players from your instance in Open by adding a few rules in your router configuration. There are guides available how to do it in less than 5 minutes.

I'm torn between

- can you provide a link to this config? asking for a friend

and

- why oh why should I set up my router this way if I could just click solo?

 

[Deareim]

I'm torn between

- can you provide a link to this config? asking for a friend

and

- why oh why should I set up my router this way if I could just click solo?

I do not think it is "illegal". Since anyway, you should block these kind of network...

 

[babelfisch]

I'm torn between

- can you provide a link to this config? asking for a friend

and

- why oh why should I set up my router this way if I could just click solo?

It's not that complicated to google for it, should be on the first page. I don't think it's against the EULA/TOS but I don't see a point in sharing it as long as we can play Solo.

 

[racer1]

I'm torn between

- can you provide a link to this config? asking for a friend

and

- why oh why should I set up my router this way if I could just click solo?

The reason the "blocking others from seeing you in open" subject came up was because some people are saying open only PP will fix "the bot problem".

 

[Para Handy]

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You owe me a new keyboard...

[haha]

 

[bigity]

The reason the "blocking others from seeing you in open" subject came up was because some people are saying open only PP will fix "the bot problem".

Except they aren't. We are saying it will help the bot problem (and others). P2P is always going to be a limiting factor.

 

[Knot2clever]

Confirmed by whom ? Do you really think FD will say that bots are existing IG ? Seriously.

FYI - I don t like AEDC but they have proofs, AOS also. So, you don't want to see it that is one thing, saying it doesn t exist is another. Just ask your beloved mobius faction....

Haven't said they don't exist. I use the Mobius avitar so idiots have a nice easy shot without them having to strain the brain. Congratulations you're today's winner.

 

[Knot2clever]

I'm on the fence about this. I fully believe that some player groups are sincerely convinced they've been impacted by bots, but all the evidence which has been shared is circumstantial. I also think the difficulty of setting up a successful bot program is underestimated (I have considerable software development experience) and I find it hard to believe someone would do this in a game with no RL benefits (money) at stake.

One troubling detail is that bots were said to have first been seen in Open and then switched to Solo. I find it hard to believe someone clever enough to set up a bot would make such a daft mistake.

So there may be bots out there, or it may be all just a misinterpretation of other players' actions. I have no way of knowing which, but I hope FD have.

Exactly, far more likely people just finding someone /thing to blame for whatever reason.

 

[Vandaahl]

Nice name for a ship btw, Bot2clever