If you like. If obvious isn't good enough for you, I'll just let you be.
Anti ADS people JUSTIFY your no compromise stance here.
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If you like. If obvious isn't good enough for you, I'll just let you be.
As I've been getting overly involved in the disc...er arguments about the ADS I thought I'd try a thread where those against it's return can justify their reasons. Can we ALL try to be civil here? (and yes I AM looking at myself)
caveats:
1) Not liking the ADS is NOT a valid reason
2) Liking the new FSS mechanic is NOT a valid reason
3) Not liking others to have a choice is NOT a valid reason
all those above are purely selfish reasons and thus why I class them as not valid. Please try to not be selfish.
please also realise that:
a) The ADS does not make exploring faster or easier or more lucrative.
b) You HAVE to use the FSS in unexplored areas to get planet locations.
c) no one (reasonable) pro ADS is asking for a complete roll back.
The ONLY valid reason I have heard so far over the threads has been of Dev time. That I agree is a valid concern. Also Mooka added a concern for dilution of the FSS mechanic, that is Also valid.
Tell me your opinion, but don't include your opinion.
Yeah - especially since we've just done that...
For you maybe.
I've only been on these forums for a year or so, and have read countless posts disparaging the scanners as placeholders in need of replacement by engaging mechanics.
I don't know if I've ever seen a Frontier post calling anything a placeholder, but that does not mean things aren't placeholders. They released a game with basic components and a plan to make them more in depth over time, this is commonly referred to as a placeholder. They just replaced a basic component with with a new, more in depth system, and as part of a major update.
If you need a Frontier post to convince you, that's on you, and does not mean others are making things up.
Devs saying the ADS was a placeholder is a myth that was repeated on the forum so many times that it became "truth". Only thing the devs have said at the time was regretting giving the ADS unlimited range. But given that the FSS has, you've guessed it, unlimited range as well, it seems that unlimited ranges is no longer seen as a concern.
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And, the ADS is no longer considered exploring.
What, however, isn't a myth is the obvious fact that the ADS was holding the place of the system they designed and put in place with 3.3. The ADS was factually and demonstrably a placeholder. Shifting the goal post to 'but can you prove they told us about it in the distant past?' is weird. It was a placeholder, it is replaced, those are the very simple facts. When who told what to whom has no bearing on anything.
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Except, if you have to wriggle in order to support an agenda.
We don't need the FSS to be removed. We just want the ADS back as an optional module.
The ADS as the very same old optional module would be optional. You could choose not to have it. Or choose to have it. Your call. The ADS does not overlap the FSS, it does not remove functionality from the FSS, it does not provide any advantage over the FSS.
Your outhouse would be completely intact and untouched, most you could do is to choose (or not) to optionally have a bathroom by its side.
Regardless of your self-given imaginary value, ADS coming back or not is not up to you. Meanwhile, if these threads displeases, tough luck. There are other threads.
Nope, outhouse goes in the bathroom. Unless there is a method to remove the FSS.
Here’s the counter challenge: Demonstrate a valid, non-emotional, logical rationale to have the ADS.
Here are the qualifiers:
More information: The ADS provides less information than the FSS (Demonstrated)
Speed: The ADS menthod of populating information is slower than FSS (Demonstrated)
Feel free to try as many times as you like, but know this challenge is impossible.
And I want SRVs to work in multi-crew. Others may want the shields to be re-balanced so we get some semblance of balance in combat and reduce TTk. Then you have people who want to walk around their ships. Other insist FD spend their time on adding more alien mystery to the game, and put more stuff on our non-atmo planets. Then you have those who'd rather have FD keep the planets as they and go straight to the new world of atmo planets. But wait, what about the people who want MP content like the carriers? And dont forget about those who cant wait for the ice planet overhaul!
Yes, you want FD to do stuff for you. Everyone else wants FD to do stuff for them.
You can not think of any advantage? At all? What you really really really desperately want has absolutely no advantage to you? For those tuning in: You can get all the info the ADS gave you from the FSS, but some folks want part of it faster by just holding one button for a few seconds. On which planet is that 'not an advantage'? Who is this supposed to fool?
Sure. But what I dont get is why people are wriggling in front of us. And wriggling so obviously. Why doesnt Askavir just say:"The ADS had some advantages over the FSS, and I enjoyed them. That is why I personally would like to have the ability to use the ADS back. Even though we understand that in the view of FD it was just a placeholder, some of us got rather attached to the placeholder and prefer it over what FD considers the real deal. We mean no offense with that, and best of luck to those who enjoy the FSS, but a few of us would really appreciate it if we could get the ADS back."
But no. We're pretending there is no advantage, we're just asking for something hundreds of times per day 'for no real advantage'. Just give it to us. And btw, you forgot to tell us it literally was a placeholder in 2015 on page 36 on a topic in a sub-forum about this game. So there."
As if Sandro reads that and thinks:"Darn, they got us! We indeed did not came to the forums to call it a placeholder, so now we are legally required to put it back in! If it wasn't for those meddling kids!"
Its too weird.
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You get a populated completely filled system map with zero effort in a few seconds. That is the obvious advantage, and it is equally obvious that that isnt what FD wants exploration to be. Some disagree with FD. C'est la vie.
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You do that in the Bubble, with even LESS effort than the ADS.
I've done it over and over since the original announcement.
So it should have been faster to copy and paste said example than to tell us that you’ve done it so many times that I haven’t seen? Or did the dog eat your example?
So I’ve been pottering around in my diesel van these past few years but I’ve decided it’s not for me, so I’m going to see if I can get the car manufacturers to go back to steam powered engines.
Yes, that is why noone argues that explorers traditionally stay in the bubble. They tend to, you know, explore. To stuff that, and stay with me here, has not been explored before. Which, and this is a key part, is generally outside the bubble.
But yeah, exploration inside the bubble is real easy and takes little effort. Good point, I guess. I've been told combat pilots also receive very little resistance 15k LY from the bubble. Unfair, I know!
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