Anti ADS people JUSTIFY your no compromise stance here.

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The ADS gave me very basic details, and no tag, so it's better than the FSS in that respect. Not perfect, by any means, but I was able to build my gameplay around it.

So it was better because it was worse, but not really? Sorry, I completely fail to understand how you are playing the game. :)
 
Nothing wrong with a compromise, or, indeed, agreeing to disagree.

Its down to FD and what they have planned for further expansion of scanning and exploration; and whether a reintroduction of the old ADS is worth their time and effort. i.e. Does it fit in with future plans?

All this argument, for absolutely no reason other than trolling and flaming.

And to think that I've spent the last couple of days hanging out in the Discord Fleetcom chat room, catching up with whats going as a returning player, seeing all the excitement and positive chat between older and newer players, many of who have bought the game on DW2 alone... and then I come on the forums.

Pretty sad, you lot.
Pretty. Darn. Sad.
 
Speaking of Distant Worlds 2, over 9000 people (including me) have signed up for the exploration event which will take around 8 months there and back. The FSS can't be as bad as this thread and similar threads are making out if over 9000 people want to spend 8 months with the FSS... just saying. ;)
 
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Speaking of Distant Worlds 2, over 9000 people (including me) have signed up for the exploration event which will take around 8 months there and back. The FSS can't be as bad as this thread and similar threads are making out if over 9000 people want to spend 8 months with the FSS... just saying. ;)

Your post and wink seems to indicate you believe that all those 9000 people will A) actually participate B) finish the entire journey C) use the fss scanner.

What leads you to believe any or all of them will happen?
 
Your post and wink seems to indicate you believe that all those 9000 people will A) actually participate B) finish the entire journey C) use the fss scanner.

What leads you to believe any or all of them will happen?

What leads you to think the majority won't? I had a good read of the Exploration sub-forum and there is very little whining about the FSS, seems the exploration community there has accepted it. If you have any concrete proof that the majority who have signed up for DW2 either won't participate, won't finish and won't use the scanner I would be keen to see it.
 
Your post and wink seems to indicate you believe that all those 9000 people will A) actually participate B) finish the entire journey C) use the fss scanner.

What leads you to believe any or all of them will happen?
I think there will be some that don't finish it, that's inevitable in a very long exploration trip, however, if the FSS had been largely rejected by the explorer community I doubt there would have been such a large take up.

I wouldn't be going if I hated the FSS. In fact, I didn't like the FSS for the first couple of hours whilst I was getting used to how it worked, but now I love it.
 
Why don't I like the ADS? It doesn't exist any more. I don't like things that don't exist.

It played it's part as a placeholder mechanic until something that involved a game loop could be developed. Change is always difficult, and there are always good things about a superceded mechanism. I can understand why some people miss the old way. But realistically, it's not coming back.
 
Quit beating around the bush. That's all this pro-ADS crowd has been doing and it gets pretty repetitive. The reason for clinging to the ADS is purely, as babelfisch said, so that the contents of a system can be revealed more quickly than the FSS can render them. I'll go a bit further and spell it out bluntly: allowing the user to make a decision on whether or not there is an item or body worth flying to and scanning during the time it takes to scoop and spool up the FSD.

Fdev decided (and I agree based on 4000+ hours of general play and nearly a year spent doing nothing but exploring from one end of the galaxy to the other) that this does not constitute "game play" and that keeping the ADS as an option would promote gameplay that they don't approve of, as well as invalidate the gameplay that they do.

what you and MANY others completely fail to realise/understand/fathom is that the reveal of the system map is JUST THE FIRST STEP for a different way of exploring the system someone has entered, it's not the be all and and all, and clearly you only justify it with a selfish reason.

My main issue with a compromise is that one compromise may good for some, but may not be for others. If you start putting in compromises in for you group, you will need to cater for all of the others. Some people want stuff in that will dilute and make a mockery of the FSS and make it pointless using it.

Personally I think the best solution is to leave it as it is as there is no compromise that will make everyone happy. The new FSS is not exactly what I would have done. My method of exploring has disappeared and I have had to adapt and explore differently. It should be no different for anyone else.

If these people can get their personal exploration mechanics in the game, why can't I. Then it just turns into a convoluted mess and a confusing mashup of different ideas that do not work well together.

I think we just need to leave FDev to design what they think is best for their game. The new FSS is now integrated into many other parts of the game I would assume that will be the case when new expansions turn up. If atmospheric planets become a thing in the next expansion, then I can't see a need for the old ADS in any shape or form as exploration will be completely different for everyone.

JFC, do you NOT understand the concept of compromise??

So you don't actually care what the compromise is then, just those against it have to prove to you (and you alone) their justification on what they don't want it, whatever IT is of course. Yet where is the justification from those wanting a compromise, or don't they have to state why, their very existence is enough proof for you.



I think this post sums up your entire premise, you want to be seen as the great arbitrator, the one who solved the problem. You freely admit you like (oops can't use that statement but you have several times) the FSS but you also want to be seen as the only one sympathetic to those who want the old system in some shape or form. You don't care what the compromise is, you don't care how it impacts that game (if it does), you don't care that the majority are quite satisfied with the new mechanics, you just want to be seen as the champion for the downtrodden. Very noble I guess

I read so many posts just flat out refusing any sort of compromise so I did this thread to TRY to understand the reasons for that refusal, I think it's abundantly clear that beyond 3 reasonable concerns, the rest is clearly for selfish reasons or a complete inability to comprehend what compromise actually means (note it does NOT mean capitulate or give in to demands). WHAT that compromise is was NOT what I was getting at, but hey seems the strawman argument against me is one of the main reasons for refusing to compromise....that's just stunning. SOMEONE ELSE can do a thread asking for those wanting to compromise to justify it, but if someone does I'm going to use the same reason you lot have given and see how you like it.

YES I wanted the exploring community to not be divided so that's bad now? WTH, or just another reason to personally attack me? What do you mean can't use that statement? I made it clear in the context of wanting a proper reason beyond that for non compromise. I'm truly aghast and the responses have sicked me...truly. But fine attack someone for TRYING to arbitrate, makes you come all come out smelling of roses...NOT.
 
I think that the time the devs would spend faffing around with putting the ADS back in could be better spent on new projects and features for 2019.
I seriously doubt it would take more than an hour of a competent dev's time - the code still exists, I'm sure. Of course in any other game company you could add on a couple of hours QA, with Frontier, probably not so much.
I don't personally give a monkey's if the ADS is gone forever anyway, though.
 
I seriously doubt it would take more than an hour of a competent dev's time - the code still exists, I'm sure. Of course in any other game company you could add on a couple of hours QA, with Frontier, probably not so much.
I don't personally give a monkey's if the ADS is gone forever anyway, though.

That's half an hour wasted that could have gone on squadron carriers. Don't do it FDEV.
 

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