Cobra MK IV vs Keelback for mining.

[GraXXoR]

As some of u might know, CMDR Rick Sanchez is a skinflint cheapskate and will only ever fly small/spitty ships... Plus the Keelback for SLF duty and the Type 7 because its the worst large ship in the game.

He's currently kitted out this sweet little core mining vessel, the incomparable CMKIV.

Here is the build.

https://inara.cz/cmdr-fleet/89812/373105/

So I'm wondering how a keelback core mining build would compare... Has anyone made one?

 

[Vedmo]

I've never owned a Keelback, but if the Type-6 had a Class 2 hard point I'd be all over it. Seven internals is really the sweet spot imo, but you could run a Keelback with one Class 5 cargo, 4 refinery, 3 shields, prospector & DSS in the 2 2s, then a collector in the other 5 for a quick 2 motherload fill up, then with a full refinery sell 40 Opals or w/e else. Looks to me like the MK4 is better though.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

Personally, I would recommend the Cobra Mk III.

The fighter will not save you from pirates. The Cobra's speed will and flat profile will.

You'll also get the same 32T cargo in the Cobra.

 

[Pville_Piper]

I've done both and prefer the Keelie. The Keelie has really good visibility and you don't tend to bump into things as much and the Cobras are fussier to scoop with. The maneuverability and speed is about the same (Cobra IV) with DD5 drives and the addition (or subtraction if you want) of a fighter bay is nice. I haven't seen the need for a fighter bay so it definitely can haul a really nice load with 64 tons total if you swap the fighter bay for a cargo bay. I've taken to adding prospector limpets as you can defuse a charge if you happen to go over but the Keelie scoops so well I don't see the need for collectors.

Here is pretty much what my main account Keelie is built as... https://s.orbis.zone/1t8t

 

[Brian of Ardagh]

I've never owned a Keelback, but if the Type-6 had a Class 2 hard point I'd be all over it. Seven internals is really the sweet spot imo, but you could run a Keelback with one Class 5 cargo, 4 refinery, 3 shields, prospector & DSS in the 2 2s, then a collector in the other 5 for a quick 2 motherload fill up, then with a full refinery sell 40 Opals or w/e else. Looks to me like the MK4 is better though.

I know nothing about mining but I'm considering getting into it, I have the CMIV but can buy a Keelback if it's better for mining. Seems like it's not quite as good with the lower cargo capacity.

Here's an alternate build for the CMIV: https://s.orbis.zone/1t93 Are extra abrasion blasters in the OP's for the current exploit? If so, assuming that goes away, I could see myself wanting a little bit of weapon capability.

Your description of the Keelback build is close to what I came up with: https://s.orbis.zone/1t9e I'm not sure of the mining laser is still useful but I put it in there.

 

[Lobey]

That Mk4 looks very explody to me - against NPC maybe - in Open it won't last to jump out.

Edit - I hooked up to Inara and here's my curret Mk 4 build (still in progress) -

https://inara.cz/cmdr-fleet/154492/767663/

It's fairly fast and it kills things, while still pulling in 40 tons of goodies every 20 mins if I'm in a hurry

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Personally I would go for a Cobra MK4. But that's just me.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

No Keelbacks for me. Cobra.

 

[Pville_Piper]

I know nothing about mining but I'm considering getting into it, I have the CMIV but can buy a Keelback if it's better for mining. Seems like it's not quite as good with the lower cargo capacity.

Here's an alternate build for the CMIV: https://s.orbis.zone/1t93 Are extra abrasion blasters in the OP's for the current exploit? If so, assuming that goes away, I could see myself wanting a little bit of weapon capability.

Your description of the Keelback build is close to what I came up with: https://s.orbis.zone/1t9e I'm not sure of the mining laser is still useful but I put it in there.

Look, if you're going to go with a 3A shield then ditch the collector limpet controllers and you can stuff 86 tons of cargo into the Keelie, 74 if you went with a 4A refinery and prospectors I don't. If you use a Cobra or a Keelie collectors are a waste of very valuable space... Scooping just isn't that hard.

 

[Ozram]

My cobra 4 is a prospector. It’s built for travel and hunts about for mining spots brilliantly. As for cargo I only gave it 26 (16 in the rack and another 10 in the refinery). What that means is that it need only find a single asteroid per outing. That would have been small back in the day but at an average of 22 to 24 opals per core, that more than covers it’s own total build price tag per outing. https://s.orbis.zone/1jdv
It can also defend itself from the smaller pirate threats (which is a rare occurrence). If I want a slightly more extended outing i bring my Phantom. Keelback? Dunno. I guess if you don’t have access to the Cobra4?

 

[Ozram]

That Mk4 looks very explody to me - against NPC maybe - in Open it won't last to jump out.

Edit - I hooked up to Inara and here's my curret Mk 4 build (still in progress) -

https://inara.cz/cmdr-fleet/154492/767663/

It's fairly fast and it kills things, while still pulling in 40 tons of goodies every 20 mins if I'm in a hurry

I play open only. Cobra4 is fine for open.
Edit: If I really wanted to use my Keelback for mining I think I’d give up on the dss and just go to previously prospected locations. That way I could still have all the actual mining tools and the SLF (because goshdarnit, fun). It’s not optimal though. Single collector means you’d be doing a fair bit of the picking up on the manual but overall, could be enjoyable and there’s little doubt it would pay for itself (what doesn’t when Void hunting).
https://s.orbis.zone/1tgd

 

[Lobey]

I play open only. Cobra4 is fine for open.

Likewise - hence the missiles, shields etc - I kill npc pirates and will have a go at any player who wants to try their luck as well.
I also won't spend time scooping - two collectors out at all times, including in\after combat - loot everything including the dead mens boots.

Edit -Ah shortlink is working again -

https://s.orbis.zone/1tgs

 

[Ozram]

Likewise - hence the missiles, shields etc - I kill npc pirates and will have a go at any player who wants to try their luck as well.
I also won't spend time scooping - two collectors out at all times, including in\after combat - loot everything including the dead mens boots.

I find my single shock cannon to do admirably well vs NPCs though vs players I would sooner cede some cargo (which is sometimes the cost of doing business and zi like pirates).

 

[Brian of Ardagh]

So I built out my Cobra Mk IV for mining after doing some research, I used some parts from my Cobra Mk III and bought a few other items costing me about 4 M credits. The link shortener is down at the moment but I think the full link works.

CMIV Opal Miner

It might not be an ideal build but it was what I could build on short notice. I decided to try mining in a rocky ring and ended up with 12 Painite making me about 4.76 M credits. After getting the hang of mining, which I have never attempted, I looked around for a system with icy rings. I spent around 30 minutes finding low and medium grade stuff and almost gave up, figuring I might try in a different system. I then went into SC and dropped back in to the same hotspot a little further away. Then I found one really yellow chunk that had void opals in it.

I don't know how many fragments are required for a ton of refined opal but I ended up with 13 tons and 1 bin is at 19%. I made about 21.6 M credits from just mining tonight; I'm not rolling in credits but I went from about 34.3M credits to 57.8M credits. Maybe some day I can afford that bigger ship I want.

 

[Snowymonk]

Just to be clear, is this deliberately meant to be baiting commanders who didn’t pre-order Horizons two years ago (and all PS4 commanders) ?

Or weren’t you aware of the constraint

 

[EISENHORN01]

Just to be clear, is this deliberately meant to be baiting commanders who didn’t pre-order Horizons two years ago (and all PS4 commanders) ?

Or weren’t you aware of the constraint

Cobra MkIV owners have feelings too you know, not everything is about those unfortunate not to own one. Just once Those of us who do have one wouldn’t mind being able to talk about uses for it without panties getting in a twist while the toys are thrown out of the Pram.

 

[Ouberos]

Cobra MkIV owners have feelings too you know, not everything is about those unfortunate not to own one. Just once Those of us who do have one wouldn’t mind being able to talk about uses for it without panties getting in a twist while the toys are thrown out of the Pram.

Imagine how they will feel when they discover I pre ordered and have the right to own one.

But have never bothered.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

PTW! PTW!

 

[Mo Ronik]

Just to be clear, is this deliberately meant to be baiting commanders who didn’t pre-order Horizons two years ago (and all PS4 commanders) ?

Or weren’t you aware of the constraint

I'm well aware of the ownership limitations of the Cobra MkIV and just as aware that I can't own one. Not a problem. As I've stated in another post I'd give my eye teeth for one and I even offered FDev real cash money, not credits, for one. No soap. I can still appreciate what that ship is capable of and I've always thought it would make a decent mining ship. For those that have one and appreciate what it can do in the mining trade and are using it for that, I applaud you for it. If I see you out there in a ring somewhere you'll get the wing waggle from me. For those that can get one but won't... well it's your loss I suppose.

Here is my next ship, a Keelback set up for mining. This is the configuration so far and I'm sure it'll change before it's ready to fly. (short link is down at the moment)

https://coriolis.io/outfit/keelback?code=A2pataFal3das8f43M2m3O3R2z0300040445C01lP4.Iw18UA%3D%3D.Aw18UA%3D%3D..EweloBhBGA2EDMoCmBDA5gG2SGF8hRFA&bn=MSS%20Dusty

 

[Brian of Ardagh]

I'm well aware of the ownership limitations of the Cobra MkIV and just as aware that I can't own one. Not a problem. As I've stated in another post I'd give my eye teeth for one and I even offered FDev real cash money, not credits, for one. No soap. I can still appreciate what that ship is capable of and I've always thought it would make a decent mining ship. For those that have one and appreciate what it can do in the mining trade and are using it for that, I applaud you for it. If I see you out there in a ring somewhere you'll get the wing waggle from me. For those that can get one but won't... well it's your loss I suppose.

Here is my next ship, a Keelback set up for mining. This is the configuration so far and I'm sure it'll change before it's ready to fly. (short link is down at the moment)

https://coriolis.io/outfit/keelback?code=A2pataFal3das8f43M2m3O3R2z0300040445C01lP4.Iw18UA%3D%3D.Aw18UA%3D%3D..EweloBhBGA2EDMoCmBDA5gG2SGF8hRFA&bn=MSS%20Dusty

You don't have a DSS fitted, is it still possible to discover hotspots?