I think it's safe to say that if a galmap filter for untagged systems were to be incorporated it would be very popular.
Non-visited Systems already explored!!!!
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I think it's safe to say that if a galmap filter for untagged systems were to be incorporated it would be very popular.
OP, all inhabited systems above some population threshold value (I believe it is 10 million) are pre-discovered. That means that you get all info for all stars and planets, and they do not show "first discovered by".
This is perfectly normal and nothing to be concerned about.
What has changed in 3.3 is that you can't see the contents of these systems from galaxy map - you have to first enter the system yourself. This is a bit strange and I'm not sure whether it was an intended change or a bug.
This is perfectly normal and nothing to be concerned about.
What has changed in 3.3 is that you can't see the contents of these systems from galaxy map - you have to first enter the system yourself. This is a bit strange and I'm not sure whether it was an intended change or a bug.
No worries! (I'd started writing before your replies to the earlier posts btw, so hadn't read those responses at the time I posted.
)It's usually better to go through things in a structured order to ensure everyone's on the same page. There's been quite a few occasions of confusion over the points I went through to start with, and from the first post it seemed like there might be some of that playing a part in what you were describing. Sorry if that's ended up with me just telling you stuff you already know though!
Not sure I've followed the next bit correctly, so have tried to insert what I think are the bits of my post you're referring to.
Perhaps it's easier if I break it down the other way round.
There's essentially two types of system:
- Well known systems (in the sense of being highly populated, and relatively old and well established in terms of the in game universe)
- Others
Well known systems will give you L3 body info when you enter the systems, but you can't get the info via Galney unless you've been there. The main exceptions to this are the home systems of the Superpowers, for which the system info is completely publicly available, and can be accessed via Galnet. (There may be others but none that are immediately obvious)
Prime examples of well known systems are the Old Worlds (Lave, Diso, Tionisla and various others around there).
I don't know all the exact rules which determines which systems will display the L3 body info, but as a rough rule of thumb, I'd say that anything with a population of over a billion would. (It could be a lot less, but I don't know the exact figure off hand, so I'm just saying what I reckon to be a very safe figure here.)
That doesn't necessarily cover everything you mentioned, but it'd need specific example looking at to see what's going on.
'Others' then includes all the various types of systems where you don't get the L3 data on first entry to the system.
I've double checked the above as much as possible in game, but am too far away from the bubble to go to any of the systems. If you head to the Lave area, or the core of any Superpower's space, you should be able to double check.
And apologies in advance if I've just ended up telling you stuff you already know again!
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Yeah, "first discovered by" is a real buzzkill.
Now there we go, that makes sense. Yes it does seem strange, and a bit bogus!!
Thank You!!
Cheers
Actually it is just an artefact produced by the fact that your keyboard has a stuck "!" key.
Or maybe you just were not very observant before 3.3 made just about everything in the bubble appear "Unexplored" on the Galaxy Map until you enter that system.
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And apologies in advance if I've just ended up telling you stuff you already know again!
No apologize necessary, I know you were only trying to help.
But combined with what NecasekO said and others about the "first discovered by", it just wacky!! What are they smoking at ED!!!
This whole subject is messed up. Regardless of whom gets credit for the original discovery and gets they're name tagged to each body for discovery, everyone else who subsequently happens upon those system and had never been there prior should still be able to have their shot at their discovery as they haven't been there and in turn should receive the monetary credits for it!! If I'm in solo play, then I shouldn't know who discovered anything. This is why the whole server bound philosophy is porked!!
Thanks Thatchinho
Are we in the Newcomers forum here?
No?
Great.
https://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Multiple_exclamation_marks
No?
Great.
https://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Multiple_exclamation_marks
Anytime mate! o7
I'll try and cover these other points as well if I can. I saw you mention that you'd just got the game shortly before 3.3, so welcome to the game!
I'm not sure whether the following are things that you don't know, or things you're well aware of, but I think there's a few core principles which basically help with any aspect of the game:
- the game universe has a lot of history (as does the game itself - lots of it (Lave, Diso, etc, for example) all go back to the original Elite from 1984)
- at this point in time in the game universe, humanity has been expanding out into the galaxy, and had FTL tech for around 1,150 years
- in ED everyone plays in the same game universe
- the game universe progresses in real time and player actions influence it (but taking into account an individual player is one of tens of thousands to millions of players, and we're all just part of a human population in the trillions or maybe even quadrillions.
- the only difference between the modes is that they control which players you will encounter in the same instance as you (Solo - none. Private Group - just players from the same Private Group. Open - any other player in Open (with a few conditions around the game trying to preferentially match you with Friends for example.))
It sounds from what you said about Solo, that you might have slightly different expectations of how things should be, but well... they are how they are, and if you take all the above into account it'll help you get the most out of the game!
Anyway, just to apply those principles...
No one, whether player or npc is the person who discovers Sol. It's already discovered. The same applies to a huge amount of other systems. You can't be the person who discovers a system that was first discovered 1,100 years ago, and has had a large population and been part of the galactic civilisation that entire time. No one gets any credits for those type of system, because no one is anywhere in the slightest bit close to what could be considered the discoverer of those systems.
(There was a bug in 3.3 which allowed people to get first discoveries for those type of systems, but that's all now been corrected.)
At the point you've joined, the game universe has progressed by 4 years since the game launched. What's happened up until that point is part of the history of the game universe. The game universe doesn't reset when someone new starts they game, they just join in at the UTC time and date they join + 1,285 years. As someone now in 3305, there's no reason why you wouldn't be able to see who discovered something in say 3303.
Similarly, when you start getting First Discoveries, that will still be part of the same game universe, even if you're playing in Solo, and anyone who goes to those systems afterwards will see your mark on the game universe.
If it helps, there's less than 0.001% of systems in the game which have been discovered. It's a big galaxy!
Once you're out there in the black, finding systems that no human in the game universe has ever been to before, then things will seem different!
Anyway, there's quite a lot of text there, but I hope that's all helpful! o7
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Yeah, I'm pretty much up to date on all of that. I have a few buddies here in the states and overseas that have played it for a while. One has had it since it was released.
I played the original on C64 and still have it with emulator. I know it's worlds apart from what we're doing here, but there are some similarities. It just took me a while to get ED due to life issues and work, it's all good now. Really like it, now if they could get the server a bit more stable, but it is what it is....
In my short stint so far, I've already found the Thargoid, but I didn't do anything except exit the region as I was in my exploration ship(ASP), but I have it documented for future ventures with the warships I've bought. Just have to get them up to snuff with Engineered modules which I'm slowly doing at this time.
The reason I even brought this subject up is because I found it a bit odd that systems outside of the areas you mentioned, the well known and well traveled areas, which at the moment where I am, being a bunch of Anarchy/Confederacy systems and a lot of empty systems I've never been and there's really nothing here, for me, can't be discovered. And on the flip side of that when I went to get the Meta-alloys for Felicity every place I jumped to was discoverable, which seemed odd to me as many people must have been there prior to me. Of course this could be a by-product of the update of 3.3??
At any rate, even though I know most of what you've told me, it verifies some of things that I've seen or was wondering if they were correct.
In the end, thanks for your time and patience!
Cheers Mate
I think OP might be going around in circles and rediscovering what they've already discovered.
It happens you know.
Out in the bush like that.
People do all kinds of crazy things and then start taking their clothes off.
Keep going left my friend.
It happens you know.
Out in the bush like that.
People do all kinds of crazy things and then start taking their clothes off.
Keep going left my friend.
Prior to 3.3, when you started the game, there were two types of star systems in the Bubble.
"Explored" systems had a publicly available system map, which could be accessed from the Galaxy map without ever having visited the system. No Tags were available at all in these systems and no credits could be gained from honking or scanning the system.
"Unexplored" systems had no publicly available galaxy map. The only way to obtain the map was the ADS honk, or scanning the nav beacon if the system was inhabited. Honking the system gave you credits and a populated system map.
Now with 3.3, there are still two kinds of star systems in the Bubble. But now, you can;t tell the difference between them on the Galaxy map - they all look the same. It is this change that the OP is referring to.
Now, "Explored" systems need to be visited by the player before the system map is made visible. Fortunately, the game has remembered all our old "Visited systems" so we can see the sytem maps of systems we visited prior to 3.3. Mapping Tags are also available in Explored systems, except for the three Superpower Capital systems. Honking the FSS in Explored systems does nothing, except reveal USSs. You still need to Probe the planets in order to get Mapped credits and to reveal biologicals/geologicals/etc.
Now, "Unexplored" systems remain much as they always were, except for the addition of Mapped Tags alongside the Discovered Tags. The FSS honk will reveal the entire system map, just like the old ADS honk, in systems were every object has already been Discovery-Tagged. You can still get Level 1 scan credits just by Honking an Unexplored system, and you can get Level 2 credits by running the FSS scans. You can also map all the planets if you wish, and any planets that do not yet have a Mapped Tag are Mappable and claimable.
The OP bemoans the lack of ability to tell the difference between Explored and Unexplored systems on the galaxy map while doing in-Bubble "exploring", finding themselves wasting a lot of time jumping into systems that are Explored.
But I'm here to let the OP and everyone else know, there is a way you can, reasonably reliably, tell the two kinds of systems apart from the Galaxy Map.
Population.
It tells you the population of the system, right there in the star system's Info box. With the exception of a few systems which have been colonized since the game launch (most notably in Colonia), every system with a population over 1 million people will be Explored. I can 100% guarantee that. Some systems with populations under 1 million are Explored also, particularly in certain parts of space (eg. around Eranin and the rest of the old Gamma Pill) and in permit-locked systems. But most of them are not.
So, when looking at the Galaxy Map, check the target system's population. If you've never been there but the population is under 1 million, chances are very good that it will prove to be Unexplored. If it's over 1 million, be prepared for the system to be Explored.
It should be pointed out that Explored systems are now money-earners, too. Most of them have either ELWs, Terraformables, Ammonia Worlds or other high-value targets, and they can all be Mapped (except in Sol, Achenar and Alioth). Even if someone else has already Mapped them, you can Map them too and still gain credits.
"Explored" systems had a publicly available system map, which could be accessed from the Galaxy map without ever having visited the system. No Tags were available at all in these systems and no credits could be gained from honking or scanning the system.
"Unexplored" systems had no publicly available galaxy map. The only way to obtain the map was the ADS honk, or scanning the nav beacon if the system was inhabited. Honking the system gave you credits and a populated system map.
Now with 3.3, there are still two kinds of star systems in the Bubble. But now, you can;t tell the difference between them on the Galaxy map - they all look the same. It is this change that the OP is referring to.
Now, "Explored" systems need to be visited by the player before the system map is made visible. Fortunately, the game has remembered all our old "Visited systems" so we can see the sytem maps of systems we visited prior to 3.3. Mapping Tags are also available in Explored systems, except for the three Superpower Capital systems. Honking the FSS in Explored systems does nothing, except reveal USSs. You still need to Probe the planets in order to get Mapped credits and to reveal biologicals/geologicals/etc.
Now, "Unexplored" systems remain much as they always were, except for the addition of Mapped Tags alongside the Discovered Tags. The FSS honk will reveal the entire system map, just like the old ADS honk, in systems were every object has already been Discovery-Tagged. You can still get Level 1 scan credits just by Honking an Unexplored system, and you can get Level 2 credits by running the FSS scans. You can also map all the planets if you wish, and any planets that do not yet have a Mapped Tag are Mappable and claimable.
The OP bemoans the lack of ability to tell the difference between Explored and Unexplored systems on the galaxy map while doing in-Bubble "exploring", finding themselves wasting a lot of time jumping into systems that are Explored.
But I'm here to let the OP and everyone else know, there is a way you can, reasonably reliably, tell the two kinds of systems apart from the Galaxy Map.
Population.
It tells you the population of the system, right there in the star system's Info box. With the exception of a few systems which have been colonized since the game launch (most notably in Colonia), every system with a population over 1 million people will be Explored. I can 100% guarantee that. Some systems with populations under 1 million are Explored also, particularly in certain parts of space (eg. around Eranin and the rest of the old Gamma Pill) and in permit-locked systems. But most of them are not.
So, when looking at the Galaxy Map, check the target system's population. If you've never been there but the population is under 1 million, chances are very good that it will prove to be Unexplored. If it's over 1 million, be prepared for the system to be Explored.
It should be pointed out that Explored systems are now money-earners, too. Most of them have either ELWs, Terraformables, Ammonia Worlds or other high-value targets, and they can all be Mapped (except in Sol, Achenar and Alioth). Even if someone else has already Mapped them, you can Map them too and still gain credits.