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If I wanted a 'radio-tuning' game I would have rather bought an old radio.
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Something like that would be nice, to be part of the ship's UI, it can pop up like big front ship's static panel while still you can look around and manage other ship's systems.
Current implementation is arcadish and immersion breaking.
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Yep, pretty much like that, but with the wave thingie a bit more centered, maybe not clipping the holographic display, but yeah, pretty much that would be grand.
And it would give a purpose to the analysis mode, which could with a bit of work too.
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Why are you against the ADS having infinite range?
The FSS has it so it's not like you have a problem with the concept. The ADS in your suggestion already suffers a power/mass penalty and yet you still want players to have to use parallax to find distant bodies - essentially rendering the whole thing meaningless. If I have to use parallax to explore I'll just not bother with the ADS or FSS and just do that.
Please explain your logic, because to me it just looks like you want the FSS to be 'better', simply because you like it.
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The FSS honk will already tell you that there is a star there, it will tell you how many planets are left, you can fly there and do another honk.
It's what you want isn't it, fly to places to explore?
A system like that works with the FSS and would work reasonably well and not make the FSS and ADS combo over powered. If you dont want to fly there use the FSS, it's what it's there for.
That would be good.
At least it would actually be connected to the ship we are supposedly flying.
A good idea is a good idea.What about having a new crew member that would automatically do all the exploring tuning the knobs thingyallow those who just want to fly get on with it. It would help those who dont like the exploring part. The crew member would take a share of the cash.
I dont use crew members but wouldn't mind getting an 'observer' to tag along and get the exploration data? If he needs me to fly over to planet X666..no bother
At this point i can see that we are all stuck with the blue blob mini game for good and no one is going to improve it. I didnt want to say this, but since we are always stuck with unfinished stuff like multicrew, then i must also support the suggestion about bringing back the old ads, in order for someone to choose it instead of the mini game.
Let them co exist in the game but only can use THE ONE OR THE OTHER. If someone installs the old ads, then he looses the precious slot, while still have to fly to every planet in order to map it and tag it, while the mini gamers can have the free slot, their ancient radio device to play with and continue getting rich very fast by zooming in endlessly deeper and deeper to their hearts desire.
Let them co exist in the game but only can use THE ONE OR THE OTHER. If someone installs the old ads, then he looses the precious slot, while still have to fly to every planet in order to map it and tag it, while the mini gamers can have the free slot, their ancient radio device to play with and continue getting rich very fast by zooming in endlessly deeper and deeper to their hearts desire.
I don't think this would be an issue because its a set of rewards, not just one reward achieved by different means.
That explains the tunnel vision everyone has in this thread.. peoples issues are (somewhat validly) not feeling the value in other rewards which the fss enables or now prohibits.
The illogical sounding argument that the pro fss crowd use claim that the visual reveal actually has tangible value.. when the people who want it back are completely not pointing out well that it has NONE
ie, the rewards from exploration come from 2 things:
- what you do AFTER you know what's in the system. to arrive at this point is so insignificant and out of scope: "who cares", "that's not what you do while exploring!", "weren't you doing anything out in the black before the change? we were!".
- credits, tags, information (all the god mode stuff the fss gifts into your credit balance for doing absolutely nothing).
From watching the frontier presentation again, the issue was frontier went into this whole thing assuming that all people went exploring for was the save game impacting components, pushed it all to the front of the experience and.......
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So you have no reason for limiting the ADS other than forcing people to use the FSS. Okay.
Incidentally, it's not just stars that can be at long distances from the drop-in point. There are plenty of systems with planets orbiting the main star at ranges > 30kLS.
I'd accept that - I have no interest in using the FSS, so I don't care if it's disabled by the presence of the ADS.
Other people will probably be along soon to tell you why they don't like it though
As I said, it needs to work with the FSS. 99% of the time you won't need to use the FSS at all, just doing the honk will give you the stars in the nav panel which you can then select and fly to without ever having to enter the FSS, but on the odd occasion you can't find a planet, the FSS will have its use. Planets that are over 30,000ls away are very rare unless around another star, which you can see and visit if you want to.
FD quite correctly assume that provided we can make credits quickly, the majority of players will be happy.
However, there are a few of us who don't think imaginary money equals fun.
With 71 ships and over a billion in raw credits, I didn't go exploring for the money.
I've got to say, this is where I'm not really getting the objections.
Earlier on, Max wrote...
Well, why are those who like the FSS constantly crapping on people's desire not to use it, especially considering (for the nth time) that we are not asking for the FSS to be removed or changed in any way? We just want an alternative, clearly less efficient way to do our exploring.
It should be an optional module for reasons already stated, and most of us don't care that it might reduce our jump range by a bit of a Ly. It's not like the people who would prefer not to use the FSS can be accused of wanting to min / max their exploration experience.
It's almost as if some of the people posting feel they need to protect the value of the FSS when that's not really being called into question. The idea that if any concession is made it must have significant drawbacks to discourage its use is really strange. We're not trying to stop anybody from using or enjoying the FSS, just give us a choice in how we evaluate a system to decide if we want to spend time playing in it.
I think I might have a twitch on why we have the current mechanics.
It was designed as a standalone astronomy game. I'm quite serious. It had not yet been fully developed or coded. It was a very important idea to someone.
When Frontier got the idea to integrate all forms of play with the FSS, this game was fully realized. They created the FSS, based on the original game design.
It was designed as a standalone astronomy game. I'm quite serious. It had not yet been fully developed or coded. It was a very important idea to someone.
When Frontier got the idea to integrate all forms of play with the FSS, this game was fully realized. They created the FSS, based on the original game design.
It's almost as if some of the people posting feel they need to protect the value of the FSS when that's not really being called into question. The idea that if any concession is made it must have significant drawbacks to discourage its use is really strange. We're not trying to stop anybody from using or enjoying the FSS, just give us a choice in how we evaluate a system to decide if we want to spend time playing in it.
There seems to be a fear that somehow having the FSS and the ADS will somehow be better than just the FSS alone - despite the fact that except from anything but a gameplay perspective the FSS is clearly superior and nothing that the ADS provides will make the combination more powerful than the FSS alone.
Alternatively, it could just be that they don't like some people criticizing something they like, so they feel the need to 'punish' everyone who doesn't like it. It's kinda tribal, in a way - human nature at its finest
That's a positive spin
Personally I think that it was designed by someone who hated exploration as it was previously implemented and didn't really care that other people had been enjoying it for thousands of hours.
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