Did you read what i said? Did i really write it so badly that was the impression you got?
Why would i cry about something i actively take part in?
Did i hit a nerve?
Yoga pants and griefing.
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Did you read what i said? Did i really write it so badly that was the impression you got?
Why would i cry about something i actively take part in?
Did i hit a nerve?
Yep. That's almost exactly what the DWE organizers did, but they were cool enough to actually include PvPers to the festivities, so we were able to combine the best of both worlds right there.
if the PvP crowd did set up an event, they would suffer the same issues. As i'm referring to the greifers at the end of my OP.
If a pvp event was in open, griefer and gankers, especially them who are streaming their actions, would come along and disrupt the event (to become the focus).
PvP events do happen, but on a smaller scale (or at lest they used to, haven't seen many around, maybe i'm out of the loop) and i think they where done in PG because of such issues, but it would be nice to see the PvP crowd runing some bigger events (i hear it not easy to do, well with big numbers, lot of work)
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Some of us aren't wearing any pants at all. [wink]
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Curious, why would and how would gankers upset a PvP event. It isn't like the DW2 situation where the gankers were guaranteed targets that were incapable of defending themselves. By it's very definition at a PvP event, a ganker would at least be engaging ships of equal capabilities although that very fact would probably turn some of the gankers away
. In fact I would be surprised if gankers were not encouraged to attend such an event as they, by their own admissions, are the best of the best and any PvP competition would only want the best to be there.
Curious, why would and how would gankers upset a PvP event. It isn't like the DW2 situation where the gankers were guaranteed targets that were incapable of defending themselves. By it's very definition at a PvP event, a ganker would at least be engaging ships of equal capabilities although that very fact would probably turn some of the gankers away
In fact I would be surprised if gankers were not encouraged to attend such an event as they, by their own admissions, are the best of the best and any PvP competition would only want the best to be there.
^This. PvP groups do not whine about gankers. They organize a wing and hit back. Happens daily.
Also, OP, you clickbated me! When I see yoga pants in a title I expect decent visuals!
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When suggestions are made, they are met with... well silence. Silence from FD is expected, silence from concerned players points to something else. I am convinced that complaining about the state of PvP in E|D is more popular than actual PvP. We hear/read all kinds of complaints and calls for improvements to PvP, but as in your example quoted above demonstrates, few suggestion are made and even fewer responses to suggestions are offered.
Obviously the majority of players are content with the status quo.
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^This. PvP groups do not whine about gankers. They organize a wing and hit back. Happens daily.
Also, OP, you clickbated me! When I see yoga pants in a title I expect decent visuals!
Curious, why would and how would gankers upset a PvP event. It isn't like the DW2 situation where the gankers were guaranteed targets that were incapable of defending themselves. By it's very definition at a PvP event, a ganker would at least be engaging ships of equal capabilities although that very fact would probably turn some of the gankers away
In fact I would be surprised if gankers were not encouraged to attend such an event as they, by their own admissions, are the best of the best and any PvP competition would only want the best to be there.
its not that a PvP event would be disrupted by ganker like DW2 was. PvPer can handle them selves, for sure
But you would still have people coming in to disrupt, not take part in the event as it was set out, but to draw attention to them selves (not there for the competition, just the attention).I was explaining the difference from PvPer and the griefers. Also, at a PvP event, any gankers get 'handed' by people just waiting for the next fight
... point being, that grifers would try upset a PvP event----
Before its goes down a rabbi-thole of things i didn't say: I was explaining the motives of such actions, not that they should or should not happen (apart from the Crew/host attacks)... Its all about the pants
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Act like a jerk, get treated like a jerk.
That said, death threats (if meaning in real life) are a no go.
Act like a jerk, get treated like a jerk.
That said, death threats (if meaning in real life) are a no go.
Too bad you couldn't lead out with the second sentence instead of making it a limp qualifier following a statement to the effect that pvpers actually do in fact deserve that.
And you couldn't take a statement at its face falue, maybe it hit a bit too close home?
I'm not against PvP in this game.
Being a jerk is something I don't advocate, is all.
That's the problem, Zieman, I did take it at it's face value.
I watch a lot of elite steams, closets I get to seeing real people: P don’t like to go near them in RL. With DW2 underway It’s been interesting to watch the gankers (not all gankers grief).
Ganking has a place too, in fact, I been happily playing a new account in open only, to see if there really is an issue. There was little point in going into open with my main account and seeing what happens… Being elite in combat, even in a shield-less eagle seems to put half of the gankers off (not that the ranks shows your fighting skill, but does show you have been around a while)
First thing I noticed was, if I’m not at a CG/ Starting area or Engineer, then I seem to encounter no hostiles. Even went looking for them (not to snipe, but to see if I got targeted – I don’t have a good ship anyways) but was hard to instance half the time, and if they where sniping another streamer, they would be gone as soon as the streamer left open.
If your gonna play in open, some people will hunt you down, just for the luls or for a deeper reason.
If you’re in open, you need to learn you can’t be a’ carebear’, all safe in space. You must become elite! Well, at laest know how to put on the correct modules and high wake… and luckily, there are people out there willing to show you the error of your ways… but what I have notice is an underlying reason and it’s not about getting GUD
Yoga pants… yes, if you’re a group making yoga pant merch, playing with your passive social group and happen to venture into open, you may be destroyed… the gankers must show that they are better than you, and that you are space scum (It really eats at their soul, in the same way some streamers go nuts at gankers, the gankers seem to be hurting on the inside). Seem a bit hyperbolic, but this seems to be a psychological drive.
Most of the yoga pants ‘hide’ (not really hiding, they just don’t have time for the riffraff) in groups, so the gankers need to feel they are still able to attack them (but they can’t directly). This is done by clubbing seals and ganking any pilot that looks like a 5 second kill (not all gankers/PvPers are like this, infact, I had some good fun with ‘The Code’ 3vMe, they would have let me go if I didn’t try to run
There are streams out there that are ‘salt’ mining, well they think they are, but most of the salt is in their mind. I have watch hours of it, and no salt. Sure they manage to kill some easy targets, but these targets say nothing back, probably just getting on with their game. But the ganker feels they have got some salt… it quite interesting.
They are role playing their own salt mining, creating personalities for their random victims and generating reactions that never happened… then they all get excited and feel they have achieved something… well, each to their own, we all like to RP, even if the salt miners pretend they don’t (well they ironically RP in a sarcastic way, to belittle people that RP… yet they have built their own world in their head)
Some of the Gankers are happy with their RP, It fulfills their needs , their need to destroy possible yoga pant wielding private groupers, by swathing random open player targets… but some get frustrated, and start to act beyond reasonable game play.
What would this ‘beyond reasonable’ game play be?
Such things like joining a multi crew, to attack the host. Just to teach the host a lesson for being in open and offering up their ship to random player. Damaging the opportunity for others… and the reason they do this? Not to really teach them a lesson as such, but to show who is in control, who calls the shots in game play, as they can’t get into the yoga pants, they need to find the next best target… anyone willing to participate in the community in a constructive way (such as big events, sharing ships via crew).
Such griefing (yes, these are not gankers any more) is aimed at a mindset and not a player type. The griefer needs to ‘harm’ the yoga pants, who they find distasteful.. who they have a burning hatred for, but cannot harm (as they are in private). The Griefers are lashing out, trying to make change in a destructive way because they can’t make positive action, like a vandal.
Such people hide behind… ‘it’s just a game and anything goes in open’… yes it’s just a game, but they are looking for any hole that lets them cause problems….
Yes, it is just a game, but to such grifers its also a tool, to try and upset the people they dislike on a personal level, hate because of who they are and how they act… and the frustration they have, watching these yoga pants having a good time , safe from gankers and grifers, well it just drives them nuts.
It’s just a game guys, let them have their yoga pants
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'care-bear', what they like to call the people that really wind them up... if you have grifers call you one, you know you have really hurt them, on a very deep level
...the lack of any real debate about yoga pants, makes this thread, well a bit yoga pants.
Let it go!!!
Report them for the naughty threats which are against the rules and get them banned from the game, hoisting them with their own petard.
Did someone say yoga pants?!?
^This. PvP groups do not whine about gankers. They organize a wing and hit back. Happens daily.
Also, OP, you clickbated me! When I see yoga pants in a title I expect decent visuals!
You skipped to the last page, didn't you?
You can bring water to a horse...
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