Thargoid message?
- Thread starter Prince Tharik Otoli
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I just want to say I'm sorry if some of you feel disappointed i honestly didn't think that anyone would believe that the Thargoids would send a message to Ed Lewis.
But what I hadn't considered was that people want so much for fdev to include these puzzles in game that they would suspend their disbelief.
If only we could convey to Fdev that we miss these challenges and that its one of the things that make this game remarkable.
I'm very sorry if any of you feel like you have had any of your time wasted. I hope that now that you know the true nature of the puzzle you can enjoy the challenge of breaking it.
I can assure you that it is solvable but not in a purely mechanical way. You need all the information you have been given. Maybe something you thought irrelevant is relevant.
If you are still with me on this then good luck.
But what I hadn't considered was that people want so much for fdev to include these puzzles in game that they would suspend their disbelief.
If only we could convey to Fdev that we miss these challenges and that its one of the things that make this game remarkable.
I'm very sorry if any of you feel like you have had any of your time wasted. I hope that now that you know the true nature of the puzzle you can enjoy the challenge of breaking it.
I can assure you that it is solvable but not in a purely mechanical way. You need all the information you have been given. Maybe something you thought irrelevant is relevant.
If you are still with me on this then good luck.
Now here is a man with class. Thanks for that buddy. I’ll give the puzzle some more thought, maybe some of the other folks here have some ideas too.
In my case at least, it was simply because I have no idea who Ed Lewis is. (I'm not exactly an old timer but well over 1000 hours played).
Randos like me, who haven't followed the development for years and aren't familiar with the team names... we just find a Canonn website post and figure, "oh yeah it's those guys who seem to have figured out all that info about thargoids and stuff. Must be legit."
A graceful apology but not needed in my case at least. I wasn't actually mad or anything, just confusedededed a bit. It would be ridiculously hypocritical for me to actually blame you for something like that. When I said I wished I hadn't bothered, it was more that I realized it was kind of an insiders' club (long time players who know who Ed Lewis is) post that wouldn't mean much to me even if I figured it out, rather than actually a game thing that might.
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I spent two hours pulling the audio apart, assigning numbers and letters to the code pretty much as soon as it popped up. Myself and quite a few others in a major group of people were excited by the possibility of this new message, only to be disappointed.
Figuring out the message is probably something that I will try again in a few days, however the main thing that bugs me is how such a reputable group such as canonn would put something like this out WITHOUT clearly stating that it was 'just for fun' or 'fan-made'. I can totally understand wanting to do something cool for Ed's leaving do - he's an awesome guy and deserves a great sendoff, but I would have hoped that canonn would have maybe done something a bit more responsible.
Yes my opinion is just one in a huge galaxy of opinions, and I doubt it will lead anywhere or achieve anything but I felt you guys at canonn needed to know how your actions went down. Take it as constructive criticism.
Figuring out the message is probably something that I will try again in a few days, however the main thing that bugs me is how such a reputable group such as canonn would put something like this out WITHOUT clearly stating that it was 'just for fun' or 'fan-made'. I can totally understand wanting to do something cool for Ed's leaving do - he's an awesome guy and deserves a great sendoff, but I would have hoped that canonn would have maybe done something a bit more responsible.
Yes my opinion is just one in a huge galaxy of opinions, and I doubt it will lead anywhere or achieve anything but I felt you guys at canonn needed to know how your actions went down. Take it as constructive criticism.
The flat histogram distribution to me suggests a cipher with a shift. Maybe the shift key is "lewis" or something.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigenère_cipher
Anything more complex than this would probably be more cruel than OP seems.
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I take full responsibility for this and it won't happen again. If I ever do anything like this again I will make it very clear.
Having spent more time than you can imagine devising this puzzle the last thing I wanted to do was upset people.
https://www.dcode.fr/vigenere-cipher
Alright. I tried THARGOID, LEWIS, EDLEWIS, and DELPHI (doesn't the system in the spectrogram have 7 bodies, like delphi?)
No luck. Any other ideas? This online tool I posted should make sort work of this if it IS in fact a vigenere and we get the right key.
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Maybe something in that podcast. Dunno. I really have no background to help, aside from the math parts.
Also the shift cipher was just a shot in the dark. Don't assume I'm right. It could be a million other things. They don't have to be Trits corresponding to letter symbols. There could instead be 3 bins corresponding to X Y Z locations, and treat each of the triplets as adding to those. Or who knows what else. Really don't listen to the bored manatee pirate with nothing better to do, he doesn't know what he's talking about. He just wants to go pew pew pew and stop thinking about math.
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Yah I am more or less in the same boat. I actually threw some python code at the "trits" to make fast work of getting me the string of letters (I pity the previous poster who spent two hours presumably doing this by hand). I did notice that in the post on the Cannon website some words are bold, but I don't know it seems pretty clearly stated that the identity of the unary start system with 7 bodies is the key.
So, where's all the avid lore types with some names for that system? hmmm?
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You could download the json eddb (or one of those) keeps of the star systems and write some python code to identify all 7 planet systems, or all 7 planet systems whose 5,6,7 bodies have their own orbitals. Then brute force those names via python into a vigenere-cipher breaker. If you really felt like writing some python code.
Well they say on the link on their website: "ternary encoding scheme which has each letter encoded using three ternary bits, also known as trits or more amusingly as ." So I think it's a good place to exhaust first.
Yah, I typically stop thinking about code after work, but now I am annoyed that I don't know the answer yet.
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Oh wow... I COULD do that. Maybe after I watch Star Trek. LOL. To be fair though, that code will take me more than the 3 minutes it took to write the trit converter.
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Oh yeah I forgot about that part.
Anyway I don't know a damned thing about all this fancy pants code stuff y'all are talking about. I'm just a simple space pirate.
Yadda yadda yadda
Its a system address, and you've assigned no numbers into the translation
They've given us the system as a picture(their language) and the system as it appears in our star mapping
Bill
"Hell what do I know... I'm just an innocent trader"
I don't think that is the case. They are pretty clear its base-3. 3 digit base-3 gives us 0-26 for each character. That's enough for the English alphabet, but not alpha-numeric. If you have any other ideas about how to interpret the "trinary bits" I'd be happy to hear them.
From the picture - it looks (to me) like either the 5,6,7 have moons OR have rings....?
From the canonn site - I think they're clearly saying that system is the KEY (i.e. to the cipher). In which case it would also mean that the system name probably isn't one with a number in it...? (i.e. it won't be something like HIP 12345. or COL 285 Sector blah blah. I would suspect its a well known system that only has letters, single star, 7 worlds or which 5,6,7 either have moons or rings...
Probably of no help whatsoever
Sol??? lol..... ah no, we have 8 planets, nine worlds including Pluto, oh well
Try "SPANKY"
I thought so too, but then I found this:
https://manual.audacityteam.org/man/spectrogram_view.html
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My money us on Shinrarta Dezhra, fits perfectly to the image. Then again, there must be countless number of fitting systems by only comparing these few parameters.