A Second Kickstarter Campaign?

babelfisch

babelfisch
Franc Kaos said:
You're new, you will learn, Fdev suck at communication. It would be literally impossible to open up a dialogue with them (unless you own a YouTube channel). Four months ago (ish), they teased a new era for Elite in 2019. That was it! No hint as to what it might even relate to, just that it was paid DLC and they reprioritised ice planet improvements because of it.
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But they also said that it (whatever that is) would come a considerable amount of time after 3.3. So I am not surprised that there aren't any news about it. And to be fair, that's pretty much industry standard. Good luck getting communication from EA, CA, Blizzard, Taleworlds, CD Project, etc. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to get more communication and sometimes I wonder what all their community managers are doing when they don't even manage to post more than twice a week despite being 5 (?) people. I'd like to know how their usual work day looks like and what they are actually managing, because it's certainly not the community... ;)
Still, they are all very nice, and when they do communicate it's always appreciated.
 

[VR] Goooost

[VR] Goooost
don't think that money is the problem. It's probably just difficult to balance the development of additional features with new player acquisition and retention. I personally think this game is one killer update shy of being a household name, or also a really bad update away from kicking the big one.
I think they need a few things:
Capital ship ownership. Every other space sim has them- EVE, SC, NMS, Arguably KSP, an old game I used to play called Escape Velocity... etc.
Atmospheric landings. Non-life supporting worlds. Maybe impose a quarantine on any planets with life until that's developed.
Gas mining.
space legs for the purpose of looting derelicts.
CQC integration into the main game.
more ships and more weapons. There should be a team dedicated to just churning out ships.
More station types. Enough to make different parts of the bubble look as different as other countries today.
 

thebatfink

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Goooost said:
don't think that money is the problem. It's probably just difficult to balance the development of additional features with new player acquisition and retention. I personally think this game is one killer update shy of being a household name, or also a really bad update away from kicking the big one.
I think they need a few things:
Capital ship ownership. Every other space sim has them- EVE, SC, NMS, Arguably KSP, an old game I used to play called Escape Velocity... etc.
Atmospheric landings. Non-life supporting worlds. Maybe impose a quarantine on any planets with life until that's developed.
Gas mining.
space legs for the purpose of looting derelicts.
CQC integration into the main game.
more ships and more weapons. There should be a team dedicated to just churning out ships.
More station types. Enough to make different parts of the bubble look as different as other countries today.
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Yeah where are the ships! Also why do I travel 150ly to hear the same woman accepting my docking request!
 

Dizzy B High

Dizzy B High
A kickstarter as its name suggests is for getting the funds to kick off a new project and start it.

You could i suppose do a kickstarter a new platform called Resuscitator.

Which can be used for projects that were previously kick-started but failed so resuscitation is necessary.
 

Deadlock-3000

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CMDR Woland92 said:
Dear Friends,

We are always talking about how the huge changes we want to see in Elite Dangerous would require a massive overhaul such that it would amount to creating an entirely new game on top of the one we currently have.

Okay, fine. What if we did a second Kickstarter campaign?
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RANDOM COMPANY: How about I make a game with infinite possibilities in an open-ended universe in which you can excitingly blaze your own trail
HORDE: oh yes that certainly sounds plausible here take all my monies
< Four years later >
HORDE: meh it's not very good
RANDOM COMPANY: How about I make the game you paid for even better and even more open-ended with even more infinite possibilities
HORDE: oh yes that certainly sounds plausible here take all my monies
 

Old Duck

Old Duck
Frontier already has too much of my money. I'd be happy to have the game I originally paid for (version 2.3 on PS4) before it was ruined by bugs, serious nerfs to visual quality, bizarre design decisions, etc.

I'm saving my "kickstarter" $$ for Rebel Galaxy Outlaws, The Outer Worlds, and Starfield, assuming any of these are as good as I imagine.
 
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Kzak

Kzak
Nope. Elite: Dangerous needs development time. They have ample amounts of money already, and a new Kickstarter campaign isn't going to change anything.
 

Urbanski101

Urbanski101
Definite no I'm afraid.

The reasons have been mentioned on this thread but IMO

Money is not the main issue in the development of ED
The key is a clear vision of what they will build and focused worked, money does not solve this
They have already been through the kick starter and raised the money...they then broke many of the pledges to the KS backers, confidence in FD is fairly low in regard to this
FD have time and again displayed what they are good at and where they are lacking...the physical world, graphics, sound, stellar forge are all top notch....game play ideas, complex game mechanics, features & multiplayer are all pretty poor IMO, again money won't solve this

We've been served so many half baked, dead on delivery, never touched again features that I have very little confidence in their ability to get it right regardless of how much cash they have.

Beyond was a nice gesture, to go back and develop many of the forgotten features and in some areas I think they did a good job but it barely scratches the surface of what is needed...a reboot of the game may be what is needed but they already have the funds to do that (hinted at in the financial report), whether they have the skills and vision is another thing entirely.
 

Jack Schitt

Jack Schitt
"Throwing money at the problem is not the answer."
"But what if we throw more of it?"
"Still not the answer."
"How about we throw it more forcefully."
"Same thing."
"OK, what if we throw it more gently while batting our eyelids seductively?"
"Nope."
"What about stepping outside, wrapping the money around a brick and hurling it through the window?"
"It's not the velocity or the attitude or the brick that's the problem; money is simply not the solution."
[time passes]
"Ooh! Ooh! What about a Kickstarter...?"

It's the circle of ED life.
 

Mo Ronik

Mo Ronik
MottiKhan said:
I'm not sure where you read that. Every few months, someone on the forums mentions this "10 year plan".
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That's probably where I read it then. No matter. If it's an 8 year plan then they are about half way thru the initial planned development. With 4 more or less years left there can be a lot of new features added and the game will still be playable for several years after. If it is still profitable after their development plan then I can see it continuing until they no longer make money. Personally I can see the game having at least another 6 or 7 years of updates and new features but I'm probably just being optimistic. I wonder how many other space sim type games will be released or "finished" in that time?
 

Eckee

Eckee
I don’t think FDev has proven themselves yet so I wouldn’t support another kickstart.

It’s sad to see this grand game is not even close to its potential.
 

CMDR Woland92

CMDR Woland92
I did not realize Fdev were so flush with cash. I had assumed that the reason for their failure to deliver much of what was promised in the first Kickstarter was due to lack of resources.

Knowing what I know now, I agree that a kickstarter is not a viable or useful solution.

The good news is Elite is still a great game. I love it, I play it every day, and I will continue to support it for as long as it is around.

Elite has also done a lot to revitalize the genre. As many have mentioned, there are a few exciting new titles coming out this year. I’m also excited to see what Bethesda do with Starfield.

It’s all good friends. Thank you for enlightening me. Let’s just enjoy what we have for now and see what comes next.

o7,
Woland
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
We can't change the course of the history.

Frontier is focused on the new "Era" for ED, that will be a major turning point in the history of the Elite (they said).

No need for a new Kickstarter. The history is on the move.

Frontier also has other projects on other games.

The company has planned the years to come.

No need to engage in a lost cause, Frontier is the only master of his destiny for the sustainability of the company.
 
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krylite

krylite
CMDR Woland92 said:
Dear Friends,
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Again, I’m bracing for the inevitable waves of vitriol but I just want to reiterate that this is just a suggestion. Don’t freak out. I just want to know how many would be willing to do something like this, and what those who are interested would want to do.

o7,
Woland
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Nah, Frontier doesn't need to be rushed. They're still ahead the curve of anything out there. They've already given so much to the playerbase and have been taken advantage by all the clamoring delivering more than enough value for the transaction cost. It takes more years, decades to make something worthwhile. It would take billions and a massive industry server infrastructure to make a concurrent real-time verse for 50k plus plyaers and extended assets. Frontier is doing just fine realistically and gradually overcoming the challenges gradually and cost-effective as the available technology improves. Don't listen to the daydreams and faux progress like the CIG-SC ponzi's. The initial NMS pre-order debacle should have been enough of a lesson. Be happy with the amazing unprecedented scope achievement of ED as it is now with so many improvements since 1.0 & 2.0 Still entertaining after hundreds to thousands of hours at a low cost.
 
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ShimEnki

ShimEnki
Jack Schitt said:
"Throwing money at the problem is not the answer."
"But what if we throw more of it?"
"Still not the answer."
"How about we throw it more forcefully."
"Same thing."
"OK, what if we throw it more gently while batting our eyelids seductively?"
"Nope."
"What about stepping outside, wrapping the money around a brick and hurling it through the window?"
"It's not the velocity or the attitude or the brick that's the problem; money is simply not the solution."
[time passes]
"Ooh! Ooh! What about a Kickstarter...?"

It's the circle of ED life.
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Well, the notion of kickstarting something that has not yet made it out of the ICU, breathing and genuinely functioning on its own sounds more like
the circle of ED death than it does life.

By the way, this repetitive talk about FD and all this money they are rolling in; yet they cant afford to pay for a truly functioning server beyond as mentioned in their December stream the cost effectiveness of
Amazon?

It doesn't add up.
 
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