This is ridiculous and against Elite Dangerous law, to my knowledge.

[Feros-da-Grundig]

lore wise his is not wrong... some players care about that and some clearly....... do not.

in theory if caught attacking other Pilots Federation members we should probably have our SD permit revoked - unless of cause said attacked CMDR was wanted specifically by the PF!

Revocation makes CMDR piracy & any attempt to directly confront powerplay or PMF enemies impossible or at least ridiculously harder. I've already pointed out in this thread ganking is not the only reason for violence. Talk about lore all you want but people hang in JM for the outfitting not the lore. So you punish with shopping grind every dashing pirate, or CMDR whose combat are actions supported by a PMF or powerplay power (to which the PF should be neutral).

I will grant that you're correct in that I don't care about the lore at all. Games should prioritize good gameplay, because that is what makes them fun or not fun. On some occasions, they also get the storytelling done well, and that's icing on the cake.

ED does an awful job of storytelling anyway. You can't even know the lore without extensive 3rd party research [new codex being a marginal improvement]. And the debates and interpretations on the lore would be endless and non conclusive. So then it would just come back to, what would make the game fun and balanced in a variety of ways to a large diverse player crowd.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

I look forward to hearing your lore-compliant source which explains why PF ships cannot attack one another in SD (since you say the OP's lore is 'not wrong').

The game is generally quite canonical, I can't think of any glaring lore-breakages that weren't caused by the players themselves, care to share?

I dont know what you mean.............. SD is the home of the Pilots Federation and they give us a permit to allow us to fly in that system. According to David Braben the pilots federation take a dim view of its members attacking other members without a legal reason to do so.... I was just suggesting that it makes perfect sense to me that if a member of the pilots federation was found to be attacking other law abiding members in their own back yard specific system they would feel quite entitled to remove said permit. If you think i am lying and DB never said that then fair enough. i do not have the time to dig out the video(s) I *think* but not certain of this back in the design days we were even told permits could be time limited or revoked at any time as well.... it was a long time ago so not sure if this was a suggestion or was actually signed off by a dev.

The same could be true of CMDRS in the sol system and any other systems where we have permits...... annoy the wrong people and it makes sense to risk your permit and have to earn back again.

<shrugs> honestly i do not really care if it changes or not but i dont think it is a terrible idea if the game punishes certain activity in the game by revoking permits and what not.... you clearly do and that is fine as well. (for the record if you are insinuating i was supporting it being mechanically impossible to attack another player, that was not what i meant at all. i think "flags" are a horrible idea myself)

(equally some systems would only give permits potentially if you had rep as a pirate etc)

none of this is implemented however.

as for other examples... off top of head.

Imperial Slaves travel in passenger cabins not cargo

the biggest ship in the game flyable without a crew roster is the cobra MKIII. *Michael Brookes book does actually have an exception to this but even then makes a point iirc of making clear this is not the norm and his Anaconda has extensive alterations to allow him to fly solo*.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Shinrarta Shmeshra. What kind of name is this even? A proper name would be "Thunderdome".

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Shinrarta Shmeshra. What kind of name is this even? A proper name would be "Thunderdome".

I dont think the guy who supported the game enough to name it (Liqua) plays the game any more, however it is not for me to steal his thunder...... but you could read Drew Wagar's book "Premonition"

 

[Moriarte]

Whiny kid, who barges in, calls everyone in the thread an idiot (page 4), keeps making silly demands.

10 pages of wasted time

 

[Aashenfox]

I dont know what you mean.............. SD is the home of the Pilots Federation and they give us a permit to allow us to fly in that system. I was just suggesting that it makes perfect sense to me that if a member of the pilots federation was found to be attacking other law abiding members within that specific system they would feel quite entitled to remove said permit.

The same would be true of CMDRS in the sol system and any other systems where we have permits...... annoy the wrong people and it makes sense to risk your permit and have to earn back again.

<shrugs> honestly i do not really care if it changes or not but i dont think it is a terrible idea if the game punishes certain activity in the game by revoking permits and what not.... you clearly do and that is fine as well.

(equally some systems would only give permits potentially if you had rep as a pirate etc)

I see what you mean, ok, that's a lot better an idea than making SD a 'pve only' zone. I could go with that. I don't think lore necessarily supports it though, since the PF has never cared about muder of any kind, anywhere in the past.

 

[Hell Razor5543]

My feeling is that Capital Worlds (OK, Shin is not a Capital World, but it is the home of The Pilots' Federation, so it could count as a 'Capital World' with its' own 'Navy') would have the protection of the Home Fleet of their relevant Navy. Any person who goes around attacking inoffensive vessels (clean Police records, not affiliated with opposing Power Factions, etc.) will initially attract the attention of the relevant Authorities (and Capital Worlds should have the highest level of Security), but if the attacker persists (and can defeat/drive off the Authority vessels) the Navy would get involved. Permits would also be revoked, but this will only be effective when the attacker leaves the system.

 

[Nerix]

Regarding the key bindings: I don't think it is an issue on PS4. Actually, there are really many possible keybindings. Have a look at this thread: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/469079-A-new-DS4-layout-from-SViking

This setup isn't for everyone, but it shows a lot of keybindings many CMDRs probably don't use yet. I used this layout as a base and modified it to my needs: http://imgur.com/a/xgef8Pj It takes a bit to get used to, but I really like it so far.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

I see what you mean, ok, that's a lot better an idea than making SD a 'pve only' zone. I could go with that. I don't think lore necessarily supports it though, since the PF has never cared about muder of any kind, anywhere in the past.

So obviously the PF got expanded on a little bit for ED, but i think the point is the PF does not care about murder of any kind.... unless it is against its own members............... Or that was the impression I got from the ED pitches anyway.

I am stubborn, but admit i am sometimes wrong however so it is feasible i got the wrong end of the stick

(that said, even that is not ideal.... it would be so much more interesting for the PF to really clean up its act but to massively expand on the Dark wheel and make them a "shady" super power to rival the PF with its own set of rankings.

but that is not for the scope of this thread and is a horse well beaten in the past.

(these days my hopes and dreams for ED have been severely wound in. Give me npc ships to wing up with and crew to stick on my ship and allow me to train up with a few passive bonuses and i will probably accept that is ED done in terms of the things i wish for in the (core) game (I still hope for a few expansions however)

 

[MickyG1982]

Shinrarta Dezhra should be a non pvp region.

I like open play. I want to be in open play but, SD is supposed to be a safe haven for Elites (according to elite law, to my knowledge), it's bad enough that no Imperial mission givers are in JM.
On top of this getting tag teamed by pvp'ers is a total put off for non PvP'ers and noobs to pvp especially when, in some cases, it is impossible to evade interdictions or, you're interdicted one after another with no way to escape.
High wake,,, you often don't get the time to with a ps4 controller, that's for certain.

I'm gonna have to go solo unfortunately and switching from solo to open every time just ain't gonna happen. I heard open players complain that there isn't enough people in open play, if you change SD pvp I'm sure you'll see a difference.

Just a disgruntled suggestion, from a player that hasn't got the contacts to counter two pvp'ers (This happens a lot) let alone the engineering levels to compete in PvP 1v1. 

"1v1 mate?" After they tag team ya. HA, are you serious!?! These unpleasant people ruin the game.

Laws?

in a game where there are no rules?

 

[Sir.Tj]

Righty ho.

Discuss the post not the poster & Knock off the personal comments

 

[Hullreaver]

Well, I get what the OP is saying to a degree. Shinrarta is a permit controlled system controlled by the Pilots Federation. You could just have the Pilots Federation revoke a murder hobos permit and bust them down a couple of levels to Master or something. Not really that difficult.

3.....2......1......

 

[Captain Thea Kreutzer]

FUTURE GALNET ARTICLE

Spoiler

Announcement from Jenson Zanetti, Chairman of the Pilots Federation Safety Board.

Fellow members of the Pilot's Federation, it is with a heavy heart that I make this announcement. Due to the actions of a small cadre of Elite Commanders within the home system of the Pilot's Federation, Shinrata Dezhra, the Supreme Council has been forced to make some wide reaching and stern decisions to ensure the welfare and safety of all members of the PF who have reached the esteemed level allowing them to be recognised as Elite Commanders.

This small cadre of Commanders are constantly harassing and in some cases destroying their fellow Elite Commanders, with no reasoning, justification or thought of consequences. This action must stop immediately as it is a black mark against our fine organisation. The Shinrata Dezhra system should be a haven for all who reach the high levels we have set to be recognised as an Elite Commander. For centuries, only those who have proven themselves can enter the system, it should be a place to mingle with your peers, not be looking over your shoulder.

Therefore the Council will be instituting the following two decrees:

(1) Any Commander who has gained the permit (i.e. reached Elite rank in either Combat, Trade or Exploration) will still be welcoming to visit, trade, or even reside within the system. However, any Elite Commander who has a current Notoriety Level of 2 or high, and/or has a Pilot Federation bounty greater than 250,000 Credits will have their permit suspended until either their Notoriety has reduced Zero, and/or their bounty has been cleared.

(2) To waylay ah-hoc acts of violence against fellow Commanders, the PF Council will be increasing the level of response and lethality of our ATR forces. Any act of aggression against another member of the PF within the system will be met with immediate and lethal force.

Commanders, Shinrata Dezhra is our system, each and every one of you have worked very hard to be called Elite, let us not tarnish all the members by the actions of a few misguided individuals. You will be advised via GalNet when then new decrees are to be implemented.

Thank you

Jenson Zanetti
Chairman of the Pilot's Federation Safety Board
Founder's World
Shinrata Dezhra.

Seems a little long to be part of Galnet. lol

 

[deleteduser]

there aren't any noobs in SD.

 

[Hell Razor5543]

There are some people who want to see the Galaxy burn. I get that. These same people also want to attack Players for no reason other than their gratification. I get that as well (even though I don't agree with it). If we reduce such people from the rank of Elite (however they achieved it) they are almost certainly going to complain about it. While I don't personally have a problem with that, others may. As you can get to Shin once you have achieved Elite in any discipline it is likely there will be Players there who have limited combat skills.

How about this as a possible suggestion? People who go around attacking inoffensive Players will find that, once they are recognised by the Authorities, their permit will be revoked, and they have to start a separate 'ladder' to earn the permit again (and achieving Elite in another discipline will not earn the permit, as the 'ladder' takes priority).

 

[XW_Ziggy]

They should just have ATR ships patrol Shinrata so they instantly jump in when a commander opens fire. Obey the law, or else

This. If ATR isn't readily available to control crime in the ATR home system, what's the point of even having an ATR?

 

[Hullreaver]

There are some people who want to see the Galaxy burn. I get that. These same people also want to attack Players for no reason other than their gratification. I get that as well (even though I don't agree with it). If we reduce such people from the rank of Elite (however they achieved it) they are almost certainly going to complain about it. While I don't personally have a problem with that, others may. As you can get to Shin once you have achieved Elite in any discipline it is likely there will be Players there who have limited combat skills.

How about this as a possible suggestion? People who go around attacking inoffensive Players will find that, once they are recognised by the Authorities, their permit will be revoked, and they have to start a separate 'ladder' to earn the permit again (and achieving Elite in another discipline will not earn the permit, as the 'ladder' takes priority).

I would worry about adding another layer of complexity to the game and introduce new bugs. Busting someone down a level accomplishes the same thing within the current framework of ED.

This. If ATR isn't readily available to control crime in the ATR home system, what's the point of even having an ATR?

And they all should be equipped with FSD interrupter missiles to prevent high waking out.

 

[Hell Razor5543]

Is there a Frontier Official Statement about Earth's Moon?

I would worry about adding another layer of complexity to the game and introduce new bugs. Busting someone down a level accomplishes the same thing within the current framework of ED.

It would be (in effect) the same 'ladder' as used to go from Harmless to Elite, but just to go from "Access to The Founders World Denied" to "Access to The Founders World Granted" without any other ranking stages.

And they all should be equipped with FSD interrupter missiles to prevent high waking out.

If they have their permit revoked then let them high wake out. They will not be able to jump back in until they regain the permit.

 

[MickyG1982]

NVM

 

[xzanfr]

It should have been for kickstarter cmdrs only.
It went downhill when any old elite pleb was let in.