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Yes and why not?
Colonia Ferry Service
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Yes and why not?
So if that is your view, why did you get a game that is about a HUGE galaxy, with HUGE distances, that is about you flying your own ship and doing your thing?
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Because there's more to the game than doing 200 jumps and honking every once in a while. I don't like how shallow exploring is (yes, the sights are worth I've done it before but the jumping quickly becomes repetitive for me) and while distance and scale is definitely part of the game endless jumping bores me, yet I would like to see the sights. So I would like to be able to travel as a tourist rather than a pilot and I'd pay a lot of Cr too.
A once a week or month ferry would be awesome for that. This gatekeeping or whatever it is ppl got going on against transfers and ferries is not something I'd sign.
And also, I like space games. In X4 I use my relief pilot all the time. Mostly I'm shouting orders from the bridge of my capital ship
It's an odd recurring theme here that when you suggest or support a suggestion that, if implemented, would change something significant in the game, you often get a virtual knee-jerk response telling you "that's not what this game is about".
The reason it's odd is because the fact that the game currently does not work the way being suggested is an integral part of the impetus for that suggestion.
It's then often intimated to you that you're playing the wrong game if that's what you want out of it, which can carry the implication that you're not enjoying other aspects of the game enough to keep playing it, which is rarely a qualified assumption.
It's almost as if the possibility that you're enjoying the game, but if it had this feature, you'd enjoy it even more, is not really considered by them.
What they really want to say is, "I like the game how it is, and I'm afraid that if your suggestion isn't shot down, it's possible it could be seen to have support in the community, and maybe even be picked up in some form by the development team".
Which is fine, if they just came out and said it, rather than stating essentially nothing by telling you that the suggestion being made would make the game not exactly what it currently is, and then using that fact as a reason why it shouldn't be suggested.....in a forum created for making suggestions.
Sometimes it feels like the scope and nature of feature suggestions is being curated by a jealously possessive band of players.
I encourage debate over the merits of any suggestion, and discussing why it would or wouldn't be enjoyed by players, or otherwise enhance the game. But I don't want to be told "that's not what this game is about", firstly because, in a sense, the game is about different things to different players, and secondly because, if my suggestion is taken up, then to a degree it would become "what this game is about".
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Wow,
Suggesting stuff that would fundamentally change the core gameplay and are surprised that people do not like that.
By giving these kind of suggestions, whose whole purpose seems be to create shortcuts to remove distance as a factor in this game, just because some players find this to cumbersome to go to some places, then have the option to not go there. Just like people can choose to engage in all sorts of activities in the game, or not.
Frontier store has this to say about Elite Dangerous.
Steam store have this to say about Elite Dangerous
Seems some people want to ignore this.
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If it's just for tourism purposes, then there's probably a bunch of people out in Colonia with a spare seat you could multicrew to. I've shown a couple of people around that way and taken a look at a couple of sites nearer the bubble in return. (I think there's an explorer group somewhere which offers this as a service for a wider variety of sites)
For Colonia specifically I think the key has to be that you can't use ferries to get there faster in real time than you could by jumping normally - or faster than the existing ship transfer mechanism, or to bypass mission timers. So a form I wouldn't mind would be a dockable megaship which travels up and down the highway stations - e.g. bubble to Rohini to Gandharvi to Colonia to Gandharvi to Rohini - making one jump a week (or even every two weeks, to match the existing non-dockable megaships). Each jump is instant on the server reset (because that's how megaships move), but you then have to entertain yourself at the intermediate station for a week before the next one. You can mine, or bounty hunt, or do a bit of local sightseeing and exploration - it's not as if there's nothing to do at the intermediate stops, and maybe they could grow a few extra systems around them to allow for a little bit of trade and mission-running as well. It's not at all efficient - so it can't be used to fast-track an inter-bubble courier or passenger mission - but if the specific objection is the repetitive jumping [1], it allows you to avoid that entirely.
Even that opens up some exploits, though - leave an alt on the megaship for six weeks, and when you come back to them they've met the requirement for Palin.
[1] A tricky thing about this is that many of the things Frontier could do to make travel more interesting - making star scooping riskier so you use gas giants by preference, the extremely old idea for making plots to unexplored systems take more effort, wear-and-tear that needs patching up to let you carry on, resource constraints, environmental hazards, more common distractions to go and look at the shinies - would also make it a lot slower. So you might enjoy the trip more, but it would probably take longer if you just wanted to be at the other side.
I don't think it will change the core gameplay if fdev improves the infrastructure between the two human regulated bubbles in space. Explorers are gonna explore, fighters are gonna fight and haulers are gonna haul anyway and through all of that we will still have about 400 billion star systems to explore.
RP wise it would make sense in my humble opinion to have a tourist station in SagA that would utilize ferries to ship tourists. Admittedly i haven't been there but im a little surprised that there doesn't seem to be any installations in the galactic core, both scientific and tourist places. And if im wrong regarding the installations you can just disregard my last sentences.
RP wise it would make sense in my humble opinion to have a tourist station in SagA that would utilize ferries to ship tourists. Admittedly i haven't been there but im a little surprised that there doesn't seem to be any installations in the galactic core, both scientific and tourist places. And if im wrong regarding the installations you can just disregard my last sentences.
i can live with those compromises. That would make going to Colonia by megaship a sort of a cruise rather than an instant jump. I would be totally fine that. Id also suggest that the Palin thing should only be unlockable by jumping your self rather than using a megaship.
I think you should re-read what you're responding to. There was no suggestion that it's surprising that some players don't like certain suggestions that have significant impact on the game.
The only issue being taken is in the form that objections are usually made.
My comment was not exclusive to suggestions related to the shortening of distances. Also, I did not say that there was no valid criticism or objection to this type of suggestion. I even made one myself above.
At the same time, not all suggestions for something like a "shortcut" are necessarily bad.
But importantly, and in line with the principle of my criticism, when a suggestion is put forward in part due to dissatisfaction with existing in-game options, then listing the current options in the game as an argument for why a suggestion should be rejected is not productive.
Firstly, having a vast game world does not necessitate that travel options in that world must always be cumbersome, or that travel across vast distances must always be a hefty time sink.
Secondly, suggesting shorter or more convenient means of travel is not a way to ignore the fact that you're in a vast game world, but simply another way of addressing it.
You have every right to agree or disagree with suggestions like this, and any other type of suggestion. The only objection I have is in the way these disagreements are put forward, i.e. "that's not what this game is about", "the game isn't like that", "just use the options the game currently has". If you disagree with a suggestion, then you should be able to articulate either why players would not enjoy the suggested feature, or why it would cause problems in the game. Those could be valid and productive criticisms.
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I'm getting a tow bar fitted to my ship. I will happily trailer your ship to Colonia, for a fee of course.
I don't agree with this particular suggestion for reasons I've stated, but I'm also opposed to the all too common gripes about "easy mode" that seem to crop up in response to every suggestion of this kind. The reason I don't like the "easy mode" categorisation is that it quite often misrepresents the intention of the person putting forward the suggestion, so I prefer to address each on a case-by-case basis.
As for people making these types of suggestions, or any other types of suggestions for that matter, I would think the answer to your question is obvious. They play the game, and they like the game, but they think it would be improved if their suggested feature is implemented. Why then should they scoot off to a different game just because some people don't like what they're suggesting?
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We can already get to Beagle point in 6 hours. We can get to Colonia in 2 hours. Do we need something that caters to players that are not willing to play the game?
I am looking at the Op feature and looking at. Oh, I can have it ship myself and my ship to Colonia in a week or month or 2. Log on once in a while to trick the gameplay. But while it doing this I could be playing Civilization 6 or Skyrim or Minecraft or Star Citizen if ever released. while the GAME PLAYS ITSELF. How does that help Frontier? We end up losing players because of lazymode feature.
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For some people, 6 hours is all the time they have for gaming in a week, so it's not always about willingness, but sometimes about practicality. You can lose players just as easily for bloated time requirements as for overly easy gameplay.
But I'm not talking about this feature suggestion specifically, as like I said, I have stated my own reasons for disagreeing with it.
My response to you was related to your suggestion that people who ask for these things in the game should not ask for them, and should just go play a different game instead.
If you disagree with the suggested feature, then you can make a case as to why players won't enjoy it, or how it would cause problems in the game.
Throwing around categorisations like "Easy Mode", and "Lazy Mode" in a dismissive tone is not a productive contribution, and does not amount to making a case or a cogent argument.
But as to your question "Do we need something that caters to players that are not willing to play the game?", it's quite a loaded one. What you really mean to say is, "Do we need something that caters to players that are not willing to play the game as it currently is?", because if the suggested feature is actually implemented, then they will be quite willing to play the game as it will be. So the question becomes, "Do we need something that caters to players with different desires and requirements?". The answer is sometimes yes, but mostly when there's a significant portion of the player base supporting the feature, and if Frontier is willing and has the resources to allocate for it.
So if you're convinced that it's a bad idea, then you can make a case. But saying to other players: "rather than suggest a feature you'd like in the game that I don't agree with, why don't you just go play a different game that has that feature?", is not going to help Frontier either if it convinces people to stop playing their game, and is not going to be appreciated by people taking the time to put suggestions together, or anyone else who thinks people should be able to put forward what they want without being told to go away.
at about 3k hours in i would like to say that i have played the game, just probably not in the way you think it should be played.
If you have 3k hours then you have no need for a easy mode.
Ferry service has no impact on the game difficulty anyone that thinks jumping is hard or makes it harder after repeating it an x amount of times is objectively wrong.
Theres no point in going to Colonia if you arent exploring. Why waste developers time on making a ferry service just cause a few people are too lazy to travel there themselves.