PvP Enforcing the speed limit [DG2]

[Feros-da-Grundig]

Since the area near Sag A* is so crowded lately it is important to fly safely there. This commander was recklessly maneuvering a dangerously fast Orca and used their speed advantage (~630 m/s vs. 390 m/s) to repeatedly escape my efforts to issue a speeding ticket.

I used a gravity well to get ahead of this drunk flyer and give him/her a little cool down. Hopefully in the future this pilot will obey the posted speed limits.

Z0.

[video=youtube_share;t81uUlyRxD0]https://youtu.be/t81uUlyRxD0[/video]

 

[Bigmaec]

Looks like he was on docking computer?
If he simply boosted away behind the station I guess he'd have survived?

 

[Feros-da-Grundig]

Looks like he was on docking computer?
If he simply boosted away behind the station I guess he'd have survived?

As is usually the case in my experience on DG2 his (or her) mistake was situational awareness. He should have noticed my hollow zoom past him in SC but then low wake instead of shame loop. Especially since I had interdicted ~ 5 times in the past few minutes.

I don't recall if he had docking computer in loadout but it's likely. Again, that is situational awareness, first using a docking computer at all in open, second using it when you've just been interdicted multiple times (what if I had a gankbuddy waiting at station) and third by activating it before you've checked for hollows and contacts. I'm also not sure he had activated it - he came in towards the station quickly. I suspect he just felt complacent/victorious/safe/whatever after so many "easy" escapes and being so close to the station and thus assumed there was no danger.

With clever boosting around the station, yes he might have survived. If he indeed had a DC, replacing it with a heavy duty HRP might have just barely kept him alive long enough for the station to kill me.

All that said I'm pretty proud of the gravity well trick, especially pulling it off in a supercruise tub like the Conda. It's one of my few kills on DG2 that took more than a deranged level of patience and grinding out jumps.

In a Vette (or any medium/small ship) I could have done it without the intermediate low wake, in which case I would have had the SLF out and possibly even been able to escape the station (I've had 5 other station kills on DG2 and this was the only time I couldn't escape, although twice I was brought to under 30% hull).

However here in the conda even though my screen said "safe disengage ready" @1:07 it first dropped me 450km from station and I had to make a 2nd wake. I was likely too off-angle from the station or missed the safe window by milliseconds. This really brought it down to the wire.

 

[Crimson Kaim]

Kamikazeeeeee!

 

[Wargfoot]

Is the speed limit posted anywhere?
I feel like if you're going to issue speeding tickets you should be posting the speed limit somewhere.

 

[Bigmaec]

Is the speed limit posted anywhere?
I feel like if you're going to issue speeding tickets you should be posting the speed limit somewhere.

It's 100. I think. Or 42. But only 2.8 % of the playerbase stay under it.

 

[Wargfoot]

It's 100. I think. Or 42. But only 2.8 % of the playerbase stay under it.

I only mention it because if the speed limit is not posted it becomes all too easy for detractors to cast the entire encounter as an ego driven excuse to destroy another ship.
I think the guys over at New Dominion are really about trying to establish some law and order, but honestly, the optics on this are problematic.
It would be difficult to watch a good faith effort by some real altruistic folks fail miserably because of poor public relations.

Anyways, thanks for the statistics you provided.

 

[Bigmaec]

I only mention it because if the speed limit is not posted it becomes all too easy for detractors to cast the entire encounter as an ego driven excuse to destroy another ship.
I think the guys over at New Dominion are really about trying to establish some law and order, but honestly, the optics on this are problematic.
It would be difficult to watch a good faith effort by some real altruistic folks fail miserably because of poor public relations.

Anyways, thanks for the statistics you provided.

1) It's not ego driven, it's Zarek Null driven

2) This whole speeding has to stop NOW! I went into Explorer's Anchorage some days ago and some maniac in an exploration Krait boosted out of the slot. He nearly killed himself on my 950 mj Phantom shields.
Needless to say, I had 4 pips to sys and was under 100. The guy nearly died. Seriously, this speeding has to stop!

 

[Wargfoot]

1) It's not ego driven, it's Zarek Null driven

Po-tay-to
Po-tah-to

2) This whole speeding has to stop NOW! I went into Explorer's Anchorage some days ago and some maniac in an exploration Krait boosted out of the slot. He nearly killed himself on my 950 mj Phantom shields.
Needless to say, I had 4 pips to sys and was under 100. The guy nearly died. Seriously, this speeding has to stop!

Okay, now let's compare this with how I would have worded it:

I was piloting a barge full of wounded space unicorns to a local veterinarian - I like to save endangered species on the weekends in my spare time away from my work with special needs children - when some alcoholic, racist, short person stumbled out of a strip joint, stole a Krait full of artificial sweeteners and nearly ran over a nun crossing the deck with a space scooter. I leaned into the throttle, cut off his path to the old lady so he bounced off into a nearby sun, and managed to keep the hull intact thereby saving the unicorns. Both the nun, the unicorns, and I are very appreciative of Mr. Nulls work on keeping the galaxy safe.

Being a hero in space requires two components:
1: Actually doing heroic stuff.
2: Publishing the heroics in the right kind of way.

You don't actually need #1.

 

[Martind Forlon]

I would say that these plasma hits and ram were practically impossible if he was expecting attack. He could very easily escape. Waiting for attacker fire first salvo with 4 pips in shield and then faoff boosting behind station while watching my attacker destroyed by the station (Using 642 m/s boosting orca right now)

 

[Feros-da-Grundig]

I would say that these plasma hits and ram were practically impossible if he was expecting attack.

Yep. Like I said. His mistake was a lack of situational awareness. Several of them as I've noted. I certainly didn't land any plasma or rams when I interdicted him.

Rebuy for him, rebuy for me.

faoff boosting behind station while watching my attacker destroyed by the station (Using 642 m/s boosting orca right now)

Hard no on the "watching my attacker destroyed by the station". If he had boosted away the station would not have destroyed me because I would have realized the kill was impossible and wouldn't have closed range on the station. I've done 6 kills at stations on DG2 and this is the only one I died at - because I had to boost towards station to get that last ~40% hull.

Note this is in a combat gimped conda with garbage hull. In bubble, station tanking from a vette or Conda is fairly straightforward. Assuming the station can protect is basically assuming poor - or at least non optimal - piloting from your attacker (often true, but why assume - better to take care of oneself).

I have seen video footage of a friend of mine's vette ramming another vette to death inside the station itself and still escaping. A good hull, evasion, and get the heck out of dodge goes a long way.

 

[Martind Forlon]

Personally I hate losing my ships (means I screwed up), so both dies would be failure for me. Avoiding such attack and have laugh at attacker trying impossible would be enough. I was used for big amount of PvP in other game, here I like it more relaxing way . It was nicely build Orca for keep her pilot safe ...

 

[Feros-da-Grundig]

Personally I hate losing my ships (means I screwed up), so both dies would be failure for me. Avoiding such attack and have laugh at attacker trying impossible would be enough. I was used for big amount of PvP in other game, here I like it more relaxing way . It was nicely build Orca for keep her pilot safe ...

I was marginally disappointed about losing the NPC but on the other hand it was nice to have actual consequences for a change. I see rebuys as opportunities to learn. For instance in this case, if I had pulled off the gravity well better I could have deployed SLF before entering no fire zone, gotten closer to station, then attacked outbound instead of inbound and possibly survived.

All rebuys are gifts from the most holy simguru his blessed name Pranav Antal and we should accept them as such.

Nothing wrong with playing Elite for relaxation, just not my way. I mostly wanted to dispute the notion that station always kills ganker. This was the exception to the rule, at least for my kills near station. False sense of security near station is risky. (I'm not saying you have this, you might have escaped me just fine).

EDIT - actually core mining can be relaxing.

 

[Martind Forlon]

... False sense of security near station is risky.

... yes, this is something what I can fully agree with. In Elite works Murphy Law pretty well, always ready to give you painfull lesson everytime when you forget to watch what is going on around

In spoiler ... just a dream

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