Player numbers dropped?

[Sir.Tj]

As this thread has veered wildly off topic in a breathtaking manner hitherto unseen before on the forum and must be setting world records records every 10 seconds it's being moved to general gaming discussion as and let's be honest here it stopped discussing player numbers a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away...

 

[Stigbob]

inb4 mod bias and censorship.

 

[Viajero]

inb4 mod bias and censorship.

Hopefully not my fault

 

[Wasp0]

As this thread has veered wildly off topic in a breathtaking manner hitherto unseen before on the forum and must be setting world records records every 10 seconds it's being moved to general gaming discussion as and let's be honest here it stopped discussing player numbers a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away...

Well you only have yourself to blame Sir TJ!

 

[Lateralus]

inb4 mod bias and censorship.

Well, the thread certainly isn't off topic, so.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

A different perspective is that, ironically, it was because Apple were supporting gaming, but taking a long view rather than a short one. They got rid of a crusty old graphics API that wasn't tuned for their machines and wasn't under their control, and replaced it with one that was.

But that's all water under the bridge now.

Or they could have used Vulkan which would have worked perfectly for Macs and iPhones. And as Vulkan has some similarities to Open GL, I am sure FDev could have used that instead without too much work.

But they released metal, which is underpowered and not as feature rich as Vulkan.

While I do like apple products, I find some of their decisions baffling at times.

 

[Burke]

Kickstarters are bait. They dangle your nostalgia and a promise and ask for money. If you feel burned learn from that, dont pay up next time.

 

[MickyG1982]

Well, the thread certainly isn't off topic, so.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Just rename the thread to "Apple kills off its player base leads to loss of 5 players" and we'll all be fine...

Let the new "Apple Vs PC, PS4 & Xbox Alliance" commence!

Far more interesting (in my opinion)

 

[Stigbob]

Kickstarters are bait. They dangle your nostalgia and a promise and ask for money. If you feel burned learn from that, dont pay up next time.

There's nothing wrong with kickstarters as long as a genuine attempt to deliver is made, ED obviously was delivered and there's still more to come. So any question of it being iffy is obvious cobblers here.

People do need to understand what kickstarters are and be realistic though. Which is where the problems here stem from.

 

[Conch]

My conclusion from seeing my friendslist.. yes allot of people i know stopped playing this game.. i stopped aswell, playing destiny 2 at the moment.

It was nice while it lasted.

No you cant haz my stuff, i gave it to charity.

 

[Burke]

There's nothing wrong with kickstarters as long as a genuine attempt to deliver is made, ED obviously was delivered and there's still more to come. So any question of it being iffy is obvious cobblers here.

People do need to understand what kickstarters are and be realistic though. Which is where the problems here stem from.

It always starts out all happy and rosy. Its once the money has been made and the devs lose interest in what the players want it all turns sour. All kickstarters are the same, they bait you with whatever it is you want on a promise of what you think you are going to get.

I wasnt there, i didnt fall for it so no skin off my nose, the fact that you felt the need to deny iffynes pretty much suggests there might be. Game developers will promise anything to get the cash and once they have it there is little you can really do. Altho this hasnt stopped some trying.


Edit: something got delivered in this case, but perhaps at the expense of player good will. But why should FD care with their multimillion profits? Thats the thing with gaming, if you sell somebody a shoddy product, something you can hold in your hand, you can take it back and demand a refund and you have legal protection. Its a shame gaming doesnt have similar standards.

Edit: The reason i was wary of the kickstarter for ED is cause of "that court case" I felt that it offered some insight into the people behind it. I have not seen anything to change that attitude from FDs behaviour either.

 

[Stigbob]

It always starts out all happy and rosy. Its once the money has been made and the devs lose interest in what the players want it all turns sour. All kickstarters are the same, they bait you with whatever it is you want on a promise of what you think you are going to get.

What players want is entirely the wrong approach. You should read what's being made/planned and buy in if you like the sound of it and think its possible. Nothing about backing a kickstarter gives you any right to steer development and kickstarter is covered in warnings about the likelihood of change. I'm amazed that people can miss this.

I wasnt there, i didnt fall for it so no skin off my nose, the fact that you felt the need to deny iffynes pretty much suggests there might be. Game developers will promise anything to get the cash and once they have it there is little you can really do. Altho this hasnt stopped some trying.

Like you said you were not there haven't read it and are just believing other peoples unrealistic griping. Which is why you are barking up the wrong tree.

Edit: sometihng got delivered in this case, but perhaps at the expense of player good will. But why should FD care with their multimillion profits?

People mistaking buying a product for having a seat on the board can't be satisfied as their problem is internal, the actual product doesn't change anything about that.

 

[cpbtrading]

I think it was £150 when I bought in, not at KS but reasonably early.

Thinking about it, I would still buy in, even knowing at this stage the game isn't quite what I thought it would be.
But it is an iconic space game and for fans from 84', which I am to a certain degree, then it was a no brainer to support FD's return to space.

I hope the game goes forward and we see some things that were mentioned early on. But on the whole, I'm pleased I supported the game and whether or not player numbers are dropping, it doesn't matter to me, sp is really the way to go with ED anyway.. Plus I think FD will support it a little further, at least.
We'll have to wait and see.

 

[lysan]

There are probably enough players to get the game moving, however it’s not buzzing with players. The ice planets was not updated as promised, and the paid dlc never came, in my opinion a story based SP version using exciting material would kick the game back into orbit, but I digress.

 

[Stigbob]

There are probably enough players to get the game moving, however it’s not buzzing with players. The ice planets was not updated as promised, and the paid dlc never came, in my opinion a story based SP version using exciting material would kick the game back into orbit, but I digress.

I don't want to push the stone that starts an avalanche of theorycrafting, but a single player campaign mission chain could be a noob friendly introduction to all things ED.

 

[Viajero]

I don't want to push the stone that starts an avalanche of theorycrafting, but a single player campaign mission chain could be a noob friendly introduction to all things ED.

The in game videos leaked a few months ago would also support that theorycrafting. One issue with that theory is that such a campaign wouldn’t seem as minor as the upcoming updates have been described.

 

[lysan]

I don't want to push the stone that starts an avalanche of theorycrafting, but a single player campaign mission chain could be a noob friendly introduction to all things ED.

I can be a noob, no problem, I would love a SP story based game, using the assets already in the game, as long as it’s a good story, maybe some nice cut scenes (not to many) I mean that would be awesome.

 

[Burke]

it was a no brainer to support FD's return to space

Thats exactly the attitude all kickstarters are looking for. Your wallet should never come out on a no brain basis.

 

[lysan]

It always starts out all happy and rosy. Its once the money has been made and the devs lose interest in what the players want it all turns sour. All kickstarters are the same, they bait you with whatever it is you want on a promise of what you think you are going to get.

I wasnt there, i didnt fall for it so no skin off my nose, the fact that you felt the need to deny iffynes pretty much suggests there might be. Game developers will promise anything to get the cash and once they have it there is little you can really do. Altho this hasnt stopped some trying.


Edit: something got delivered in this case, but perhaps at the expense of player good will. But why should FD care with their multimillion profits? Thats the thing with gaming, if you sell somebody a shoddy product, something you can hold in your hand, you can take it back and demand a refund and you have legal protection. Its a shame gaming doesnt have similar standards.

Edit: The reason i was wary of the kickstarter for ED is cause of "that court case" I felt that it offered some insight into the people behind it. I have not seen anything to change that attitude from FDs behaviour either.

Not always the case, Kingdom Come Deliverance is actually a KS game that keeps the burners on! As long as they can hammer out dlc to keep the base happy they will make lots of money, and they know that, the problem is to get good stories written, get them made into the game, and do it fast enough to keep the players attached.

 

[duffbeeeer]

Thats exactly the attitude all kickstarters are looking for. Your wallet should never come out on a no brain basis.

I made special exception for ED. Braben initiated many of my childhood fantasies. He earned the KS money imo, even if he would not have delivered anything for it. No im not responsible for saving the industry from predatory money schemes. You can fight that fight, i dont care.