General / Off-Topic Captain Marvel Movie

[Stigbob]

So Captain Marvel looks to be on track to make ONE BILLION dollars. Tracking movies like this is quite new to me but with a second weekend drop of only 55% after a killer start support by 'normies' seems to have staved off ther utter chagrin of 'proper fans', who seem to have waited to now to suddenly realise the MCU has always been a (very enjoyable) cheese fest.

Marvel might have come in under the radar though, to deliver something I haven't noticed since Dredd 2012. That is a leading female character who like Judge Anderson makes ZERO reference to ANY kind of (what SJW's would call a validating) love interest. If you think about it Wonder Woman fell for Steve Trevor, Leia had Han, Trinity had Neo, Black Widow can't help flirting with Banner, Selene & Michael (Underworld) and even Ripley got off with Charles Dance, doctor on Fury 161.

I think that's interesting territory (are there ANY others?? Hela in Ragnarok I suppose but she's a bad guy and not sure that counts). Anyway, here's the Movie Math .. that Maths! Grace, Maths!

The Ripley/Doctor hump was more recreation (and distraction) than romance, there's a deleted scene from Alien where Lambert and Ripley discuss casual sex with Cain as being not an interesting idea. Probably a bit to modern for 1979.

Hicks and Ripley maybe not.

 

[Screemonster]

The Ripley/Doctor hump was more recreation (and distraction) than romance, there's a deleted scene from Alien where Lambert and Ripley discuss casual sex with Cain as being not an interesting idea. Probably a bit to modern for 1979.

Hicks and Ripley maybe not.

At the start of Aliens her daughter is mentioned as having grown up without her while she was in hypersleep, so presumably she was with someone before she was on the Nostromo.

 

[Stigbob]

At the start of Aliens her daughter is mentioned as having grown up without her while she was in hypersleep, so presumably she was with someone before she was on the Nostromo.

Obviously but in the example given procreation/romance isn't what anyone's after so love interest doesn't really apply.

 

[Winterwalker]

Obviously but in the example given procreation/romance isn't what anyone's after so love interest doesn't really apply.

It's still a biological reference to gender though. Had Ripley been male, would a daughter have been written in or the entire Mother/Daughter relationship even been developed for Noot? Being a bit harsh and of the examples given I think Ripley comes very close, possibly closest but I don't think Ripley's gender is irrelevant to her .. which it is in Dredd 2012 and imo in Captain Marvel.

 

[Stigbob]

It's still a biological reference to gender though. Had Ripley been male, would the daughter reference have been written in or the entire Mother/Daughter relationship even have been developed for Noot? Being a bit harsh and of the examples given I think Ripley comes very close, possibly closest but - in movie - Ripley's gender is not irrelevant .. which it is in Dredd 2012 and imo in Captain Marvel.

Maybe, could have gone with father/daughter just as easily for fighting the queen. I don't really see Ripleys gender as being a defining characteristic.

 

[Winterwalker]

Maybe, could have gone with father/daughter just as easily for fighting the queen. I don't really see Ripleys gender as being a defining characteristic.

What I'm trying to convey I think is the idea that strength in female lead characters is usually offset by a softening femininity in the writing or character design somewhere to insure male likeability.

That's definitely the case with Ripley - she's a badass female lead but that's OK because she mothers Noot in Aliens. If the original, Alien is taken on it's own merit she might have a better case .. although there's a cinematic moment that I think kills it, which is Ripley getting down to her underwear in the escape capsule. As much as I've tried to undress them in my head, both Danvers and Judge Anderson are completely asexual in costume design. Agree Ripley's close but not convincingly there for me. Grace's Movie Math above shows 50/50 audience for Marvel, so men aren't necessarily being put off. Black Widow might be closer than Ripley but flirts with the Hulk.

NOBODY showed up to Dredd in 2012 when it counted (sadly) but it's an edge case anyway really, Anderson isn't quite THE lead character and you can also argue the whole PSi Division idea is about empathy.

 

[starman]

Is there a rule on these forums that any response to the Op must immediately veer off topic and subsequent responses follow suit.
My only question is Why arnt there actual Superheroes . Maybe there are, met a few the question do they realise it.


Watching some of the audience leave before the end of the final credits. Rookie mistake.


So next up Shazam.

 

[Winterwalker]

So next up Shazam.

Apparently DC's Captain Marvel? Marvel copied the character or was there a rights purchase or something like that I believe. Shazam's sidekick is a kid .. and Shazam in fact IS a kid (in disguise) so it's going to be a miss for me this one. A bit over goofy for me, in the trailer he used his ability to "buy beer". Good luck to it but it's been a long, long time - too long - since I've related to that kind of thing! I just think Animal House or worse, Porky's! lol

 

[Stealthie]

Marvel might have come in under the radar though, to deliver something I haven't noticed since Dredd 2012. That is a leading female character who like Judge Anderson makes ZERO reference to ANY kind of (what SJW's would call a validating) love interest. If you think about it Wonder Woman fell for Steve Trevor...

Not really sure why anybody would care whether or not a protagonist has a love-interest.

In the case of WW, in particular, it's a bit silly to criticise that, given that the whole "role reversal" (female hero saving male damsel in distress) thing is a core part of the story.

Speaking of which...

I also saw Aquaman a while ago.
Am I the only one who thought it was downright creepy the way Jango Fett found Nicole Kidman unconscious on the beach and decided to cart her back to his lighthouse rather than, y'know, calling 911 or taking her to a hospital? [where is it]

 

[starman]

Apparently DC's Captain Marvel? Marvel copied the character or was there a rights purchase or something like that I believe. Shazam's sidekick is a kid .. and Shazam in fact IS a kid (in disguise) so it's going to be a miss for me this one. A bit over goofy for me, in the trailer he used his ability to "buy beer". Good luck to it but it's been a long, long time - too long - since I've related to that kind of thing! I just think Animal House or worse, Porky's! lol

Just to let you know the minute anyone expresses their own opinion about a film or a book, particularly if it has not been seen or read (don't judge a film by its trailers' or a book by its cover or review and uses the phrase "so it's going to be a miss for me", I will definitely go and see it in the cinema so I can make up my own mind. Especially if the reviewer did not really understand what 'Animal House' or Porky's was really about.



Some films really need to be seen on a cinema screen. It's what they were designed more. Also see how popular opinion when the box number are quoted Aquaman is a case in point. Captain Marvel experience was largely spoilt by the other movie goes laughing at random points. Ive seen better behaved animals at a zoo than in the cineplex.


Inclinedly I used to Review Computer games, yes Ive had that JR Hartley moment looking for the periodicals in question.

 

[lysan]

Its somehow still selling out though.

Disney is buying emtpty seats to .... reasons.
https://digitalempire.wordpress.com...-of-empty-seats-bought-out-at-captain-marvel/

 

[Whipley]

Disney is buying emtpty seats to .... reasons.
https://digitalempire.wordpress.com...-of-empty-seats-bought-out-at-captain-marvel/

Can't argue with a blog and some rando on Twitter... That's some solid reporting. Pulitzer incoming.

 

[lysan]

Can't argue with a blog and some rando on Twitter... That's some solid reporting. Pulitzer incoming.

Didn’t look too much just googled it, where there is smoke ...... you know, but let’s pretend all is good and .....HEY LOOK SQUIRREL !

 

[Winterwalker]

Didn’t look too much just googled it, where there is smoke ...... you know, but let’s pretend all is good and .....HEY LOOK SQUIRREL !

Which is the point Beyond The Trailer makes above .. conspiracy theories and so on undermine any genuine criticism, squirrel. I mean maybe .. but IMDb didn't suffer a review bomb.

In the case of WW, in particular, it's a bit silly to criticise that, given that the whole "role reversal" (female hero saving male damsel in distress) thing is a core part of the story.

That and the fact she's wearing next to nothing? That gives man appeal - like it or not - with the argument being that the bikini (motherhood, kisses and cuddles, tears) is more often than not used as a vehicle to allow your heroine to be rock on powerful without denting any male egos. In the case of Wonder Woman she's OBVIOUSLY A FANTASY because who dresses like that? I think it's an interesting ponder.

 

[Stealthie]

Can't argue with a blog and some rando on Twitter... That's some solid reporting. Pulitzer incoming.

To be fair, there's a lot of similar stories.

In one case, a theatre owner reported there being exactly 50 no-shows for each screening of the movie during the first week, which he considered unlikely to be mere coincidence.
Also, several cinema owners have reported tickets being sold-out but the movie actually playing to half-empty theatres.

And then, of course, there's also the "charity" which has been buying tickets for the movie specifically so that girls can go and see a "movie which empowers females" - which, conveniently, has the side-effect of boosting reported ticket sales.

Honestly, I dunno why Disney might bother with this sort of stuff though.
Despite all the hoohah, it's an okayish movie which has received okayish reviews and seems to be making okayish money.
Everything is as it should be, IMO.

 

[lysan]

Which is the point Beyond The Trailer makes above .. conspiracy theories and so on undermine any genuine criticism, squirrel. I mean maybe .. but IMDb didn't suffer a review bomb.



That and the fact she's wearing next to nothing? That gives man appeal - like it or not - with the argument being that the bikini (motherhood, kisses and cuddles, tears) is more often than not used as a vehicle to allow your the heroine to be rock on powerful without denting any male egos. I mean, Wonder Woman is OBVIOUSLY A FANTASY because who dresses like that? I think it's an interesting ponder.

Some like the movie some didn’t, I didn’t, I found it boring and stupid, I watched The Expanse and even though it’s a TV show it got a better story, better characters, just better, and there was bad a.s.s women, LBGTXYS people and Amos is my man, in it!
Love it! Cap. Marvel is just bad in my opinion.

 

[Stealthie]

That and the fact she's wearing next to nothing? That gives man appeal - like it or not - with the argument being that the bikini (motherhood, kisses and cuddles, tears) is more often than not used as a vehicle to allow your heroine to be rock on powerful without denting any male egos. In the case of Wonder Woman she's OBVIOUSLY A FANTASY because who dresses like that? I think it's an interesting ponder.

Yeah, that's when it all gets a bit stupid IMO.

Catwoman's outfit is demeaning because a skintight catsuit is sexy but there's nothing about Superman's outfit worthy of scrutiny.
Wonder Woman is sexist cos she's obviously just a male fantasy but there's nothing about Ryan Reynolds, Chris Hemsworth or Johnny Depp which is a female fantasy.

When people start whining about that stuff, it's probably best to just ignore them 'cos they're obviously too far down the feminist rabbit-hole.

 

[Winterwalker]

The Expanse and even though it’s a TV show it got a better story, better characters, just better, and there was bad a.s.s women, LBGTXYS people and Amos is my man, in it!

I don't know the show and it may be that there's no reference to the fact that character lead is female but at the end of the day it's a TV show, not (what looks like being) a billion dollar movie.

Stupidity is standard fare because it's Marvel though isn't it? Hulk!??? But somehow they don't quite stray into ridiculousness for me. I mean I think my favourite character was Goose and knowing how cats are laughed aloud when Fury told (the cat) to pick a side (lol, it's still funny) and then when it turns out the cat is actually Flerken (can carry pocket universes inside them and are mad tentacle monsters in disguise) the spoiler with Nick Fury's character in previous movies is actually kind of epic, even though it's stupid on the surface.

YCatwoman's outfit is demeaning because a skintight catsuit is sexy but there's nothing about Superman's outfit worthy of scrutiny.
Wonder Woman is sexist cos she's obviously just a male fantasy but there's nothing about Ryan Reynolds, Chris Hemsworth or Johnny Depp which is a female fantasy.

Good point, defo. I'm not a campaigner or anything just think it's interesting. Very difficult to find any female lead without some offsetting softer quality, it's just the way it generally is.

 

[lysan]

I don't know the show and it may be that there's no reference to the fact that character lead is female but at the end of the day it's a TV show, not (what looks like being) a billion dollar movie.

Stupidity is standard fare for Marvel because it's Marvel though isn't it? Hulk!??? But somehow they don't quite stray into ridiculousness for me. I mean I think my favourite character was Goose and knowing how cats are laughed aloud when Fury told (the cat) to pick a side (lol, it's still funny) and then when it turns out the cat is actually a Flerken (which can carry pocket universes inside them and are mad tentacle monsters in disguise) the spoiler with Nick Fury's character in previous movies is actually kind of epic, even though it's stupid on the surface.

Marvel is turning into a fart show, i liked the punisher, but that didn’t last very long.

 

[EUS]

I can't believe this topic is still going, so I might as well throw my 0.02 and call for a reboot of Tank Girl.
She whooped as kinds of a**