Really worried about pre-themed rides.

[TomixComics]

I am getting increasingly worried about the amount of pre-themed rides in the game.
-Skyscraper themed air race ride,
-Medusa (or whatever it was) themed carousel,
-Sun themed ferris wheel and star flyer,
-Magic carpet themed Disko,
And those new flat ride concepts they released pictures of recently that seem to have huge elaborate claws on the sides.
It seems like despite the large amount of people I've seen who share my fear of these rides only having built in themes, and therefore will be unusable in other themes (Like, what if I want an air race ride in a western themed zone? The skyscraper will stick out like a sore thumb. etc.) the developers have never actually addressed this concern and are, in fact, releasing more pictures of rides with built in theming.
I'm worried when we get stuff like Screamin' Swings, Top spins, and whatever else, they'll have built in theming that restricts what we can do with them in our park.

It seems the developers want to "spice up" the rides and make them look more interesting, but by doing so they are actually restricting what we can do with them.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not against having pre-themed rides, but I am against having MOST rides be pre-themed, and against having very popular rides which can be found in many parks in a variety of themes, only be available with one specific theme.

Yes, I realize it's very early on to be complaining about ride selection and that for all we know the game will be released with tons of generic themed rides, but... We have to voice this concern now, while there's still time to have something done about it. I know that personally I would prefer to see the next rides the developers work on be generic themed ones, even if it's a generic version of something we've already seen, rather than have an slightly wider selection of rides that can only fit in in a few specific environments.

Allow me to give a far more drastic, ridiculous example just for emphasis. Anyone else remember how angry we were when we first saw THIS teaser pic for RCTW?
http://www.rct4releasedate.com/wp-c...ollercoaster-tycoon-world-screenshot-fire.jpg

Obviously that was an extreme example, and there was more to be mad at there than just the fact the ride comes pre-themed, but the key point of "If it's got a particular look, it'll be hard to fit in anywhere else", still stands.

I'd really like to hear the Devs chime in on this.

 

[inspectorgadget1]

Definitely one to add to the Q&A for livestream 3 [up]

 

[Angelis1]

In my opinion, every ride should have had AT LEAST one generic-neutral theme, but apparently this is not the solution they chose.

 

[stuk71]

In my opinion, every ride should have had AT LEAST one generic-neutral theme, but apparently this is not the solution they chose.

You never know... it's not been confirmed, and we still are only in alpha one.

 

[Angelis1]

You never know... it's not been confirmed, and we still are only in alpha one.

You are right.
It "seems like" this is not the solution they chose then. I keep hope.

 

[Wessy]

As far as I understand it, they are building the rides with a very realistic structure and add the theming to it after the basic mechanism is in place. If this is true, then it shouldn't be too much additional work to make a generic version of the rides. Sure, the cars need to be remodelled, and the surroundings need to be changed, but this is probably not the biggest amount of work that goes into a flat ride, is it?
That said, I think they have a clear vision for this topic that they are not telling us right now and I trust they will do everything they can to please all of us [yesnod]

 

[Dalenotchip]

And even if it is additional work they NEED to do it anyway. Clearly it's what just about all of us want.

They should know it would make us mad. This is not a threat but they got to know that on the internet if people get mad they post about it and that will affect sales.

 

[Aaronroberts12567]

In my opinion, every ride should have had AT LEAST one generic-neutral theme, but apparently this is not the solution they chose.

Actually, I think rides may have alot of customization, for example, the magic twirl has another "theme" with Dragon's and a Wizards hut in the middle.
I think that was the point of the "Demonic" renders that they released, showing off 2 different sets of seating for the ride.

I would not be surprised if the "Kamikaze" lets you pick between the old version "cars" or the floorless version we saw the other day in the livestream, or if we can pick the screaminator to have 4 seats on each side of the structure, or change the car on the genie to a big disk ;0

 

[stuk71]

I do like what Frontier are doing with the rides, the artwork is impeccable

... Of course more options are always very welcome [yesnod]

 

[Dalenotchip]

Actually, I think rides may have alot of customization, for example, the magic twirl has another "theme" with Dragon's and a Wizards hut in the middle.
I think that was the point of the "Demonic" renders that they released, showing off 2 different sets of seating for the ride.

I would not be surprised if the "Kamikaze" lets you pick between the old version "cars" or the floorless version we saw the other day in the livestream, or if we can pick the screaminator to have 4 seats on each side of the structure, or change the car on the genie to a big disk ;0

True, but two themed versions is not want we want. We want an unthemed versions.

So many of us spent our childhood going to large unthemed amusement parks not theme parks.

This game is half driven by nostalgia. Not having unthemed rides means we can't play the way that drove us to want to play a roller coaster economic simulation over others.

 

[inspectorgadget1]

You never know... it's not been confirmed, and we still are only in alpha one.

Exactly, until it's confirmed by Frontier I don't understand why people are constantly fearing the worst (clearly they have many unrevealed secrets). Surely we should give them the benefit of the doubt until we have a reason not to? Hopefully Sam (?) can clear this up in a couple of weeks on the livestream.

And even if it is additional work they NEED to do it anyway. Clearly it's what just about all of us want.
They should know it would make us mad. This is not a threat but they got to know that on the internet if people get mad they post about it and that will affect sales.

They don't "NEED" to do it. This post sounds rather passive aggressive whether intended or not.

 

[DreamMaster]

I want this too. I love the themes but generic is far more needed.

 

[Helena]

Remember, do not refer to the concept arts as definite versions. Often artist would make a few examples with different artwork, and then the producer would choose one of them. It is often like this.
But of course we can always hope.

As for myself I hope for one generic ride (think tivoli style with lots of lights) per every themed ride.
Some of the "themed" rides can be solved by changing colors to suit the surrounding area, but some are too heavily themed to fit in other themes so to say.

 

[Dalenotchip]

Exactly, until it's confirmed by Frontier I don't understand why people are constantly fearing the worst (clearly they have many unrevealed secrets). Surely we should give them the benefit of the doubt until we have a reason not to? Hopefully Sam (?) can clear this up in a couple of weeks on the livestream.



They don't "NEED" to do it. This post sounds rather passive aggressive whether intended or not.

Talking about how important it is to us and discussing it in a forum Frontier provided called suggestions because I don't know, they wanted to hear our suggestions is not fear.

And it was not passive aggression. You might be new to the Internet but what I mentioned happens every single day for even less important things. So let me clarify. If they don't care about the negative Ward of mouth your right they don't NEED to do it.

I take it you want discussion and debate to not take place in a place where they requested discussion and debate.

 

[TomixComics]

Exactly, until it's confirmed by Frontier I don't understand why people are constantly fearing the worst (clearly they have many unrevealed secrets). Surely we should give them the benefit of the doubt until we have a reason not to? Hopefully Sam (?) can clear this up in a couple of weeks on the livestream.



They don't "NEED" to do it. This post sounds rather passive aggressive whether intended or not.

As I said in the original post - the reason to bring this up this soon, when there's still months to go before release, is exactly that - if the problem really is there, There's still time to change it.
If we wait to see what happens with this and the game is released with all-themed rides, then it's already too late. At that point it seems very unlikely they will spend the months of work and resources needed to model a non-themed version for every single one of the rides. Whereas right now, when there's still time, if they get a sense that the community is worried about the direction this is heading in, maybe when they create a screaming swing they'll go "Err, you know what, on second thought maybe let's not theme it to a futuristic rocket ship, but rather just make it look like a normal screamin' swing."

They seem to be headed in a certain direction, this topic's point isn't to say "AAAA EVERYBODY JUMP SHIP THIS IS DEFINITELY HAPPENING AND WILL RUIN THE GAME". The point of this topic is to tell the devlopers "Hey, uh, the signs you've given us so far seem to be headed one particular way... Are you? Because if so we're worried about this decision. Please consider this."

 

[djwessie]

I suggest a generic ride, that we can choose our own textures in or actually put objects on to. Not a pre themed ride, or a option you can choose from one generic and 3 themed rides. Or you have to be able to choose from 3 themes in every ride, but also have a option to theme, texture, paint and decorate the ride to every possible theme you want to make your ride look at. Otherwise people are going to make flatrides on their own again as in RCT-2 and RCT-3. Same thing for coasters. Make them generic with a option to decorate the cars, or lay a texture on the trains.

 

[Angelis1]

Exactly, until it's confirmed by Frontier I don't understand why people are constantly fearing the worst (clearly they have many unrevealed secrets). Surely we should give them the benefit of the doubt until we have a reason not to? Hopefully Sam (?) can clear this up in a couple of weeks on the livestream.

You should be new with "alpha games forums" right ? [big grin]

 

[Dalenotchip]

I suggest a generic ride, that we can choose our own textures in or actually put objects on to. Not a pre themed ride, or a option you can choose from one generic and 3 themed rides. Or you have to be able to choose from 3 themes in every ride, but also have a option to theme, texture, paint and decorate the ride to every possible theme you want to make your ride look at. Otherwise people are going to make flatrides on their own again as in RCT-2 and RCT-3. Same thing for coasters. Make them generic with a option to decorate the cars, or lay a texture on the trains.

I really like the prethemed too. And there are many that don't get into heavy custom building. Heck there are times I just plunk down the themed ride around themed Set pieces. Both options is the best solution.

 

[UltimateAirtime]

They've given us so much customization with the building tools and scenery that you can almost make the same flat ride still feel like two different themes. Color customization is also coming, so that will make them look much more unique.

 

[TomixComics]

^I'm pretty sure I could put in as much custom scenery and recolors as I want, this will still be a bunch of strange creatures pulling sleighs around a sea witch's tentacled arms, and the mini ferris wheel will still be barrels and octopi going around a ship's rudder above a big wave shaped wall. Neither of which would fit in too well in a futuristic theme, for example.

These two rides are basically "Atlantis".

And the giant disko would still be a giant flying carpet, etc.