Thoughts on Poll that was on social media today?
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In my opinion, polls/surveys are completely overrated anywayAnd as I've already mentioned, both options (scenery and rides) are important equally.
So, we better get back to the real facts now: When do we see the next DLC/update?
Ghehehehe...
In my opinion, polls/surveys are completely overrated anyway
So, we better get back to the real facts now: When do we see the next DLC/update?
End of October i would guess,but no official announcements yet.[wink]
Joël
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Unfortunately, that is indeed something that can and has influenced communication in the past. Communication is more likely to happen in a friendly and welcoming environment than in a hostile environment with chances of offending others, even if said communication wasn't meant to offend any one.
Regarding another type of communication: feedback. I personally like to emphasize that feedback done in a respectful and constructive way is way more likely to be heard and taken on board compared to feedback that is expressed in a disrespectful and hostile way. I would like to encourage everyone to always keep feedback respectful and constructive.
Ghehehehe...
Hmmm... [big grin]
Why no water parks Bo? Because the game is Planet Coaster and not Planet Waterpark? I have a feeling that the game was rushed and that the game isn’t coded for things like water slides and mini golf which is why we will never see them. They aren’t going to overhaul the game code to allow those things, either. Fake mini golf and fake water slides don’t count. They’re just good for scenery. I like the game but unlike RCT3 it is missing a lot of stuff. The people are only coded to do certain things, they aren’t coded to undress and swim or swing golf clubs. I wish we would at least get working swimming pools and hot tubs for hotels but the hotel cubes are not designed for that. I can make a realistic pool and fill it with water but it won’t be functional like RCT3.
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They already explained that......
Honestly, I think it´s not fair what you say here. Many companies do this (Bo is right), but it usually doesn´t make people upset or react this way. At least, I haven´t seen such a behaviour very often. So there must be something "rotten" in the game/community. Some comments on Facebook can help maybe to figure it out, what is is.
It is well-known fact there are people who are happy with the game (and these people, to me, seem to be more into scenery building etc.) and people not so happy (people who boight the game, expecting more from the gameplay aspect).
Actually, would be interesting to see results if "gameplay/management" was in the poll. I even have feeling Frontier are afraid of putting that into the poll.
Can't recall that... there's a lot of threads out there.
I thought it was Bo, but there seems to be a gap in her posting timeline of 7 months without posts, I know she has been away for a short while, but I thought she replied it somewhere with a short notice.
It also happens with my own posting history (skips from 07/01/2018 to 15/08/2018) (and the general search as well)
Uhm... "hostile environment"? I don't think that's fair. Or who specifically are you talking about? Your comment reads like there was tons of insulting and outraged posts. What I read in here sounds more like disappointment.
I don't feel people are just waiting for a reason to bash Frontier either. It's been said before, some forum users feel left out. And there's reasons for that. (No idea how they're doing it these days but, for example, I remember there's been things showing up in other places first before going live on the forums.)
And now, from the FB poll I don't see how it should have been obvious that it was just a meaningless PR post. So it was the right move to clarify what it did and didn't mean. And it won't hurt to keep in mind how certain things can look to the fanbase.
Btw. a huge part of PR and marketing is anticipating how and what you're communicating is perceived by the target audience. So I'd argue it's their job to make sure not to offend - literally. (Bo can correct me if I got this wrong. [wink])
Joël
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Posts from that period might not show up if you use the forum search feature, because the forum search feature is somewhat broken. All of the original posts are still there.
This "hostile" enviroment is here because some people share their dissapointments in certain aspect, but reactions to it are not adequate very often and criticism is generaly not well accepted on the forum.
And the poll is just a great example of wasted potential regarding the PR and I think it´s important for Frontier to accept the reaction of some of us here on the forum (and on FB too). It´s clear that even if the intention wasn´t bad, community is not entirely happy with such a " way to engage with people" and trying to save the day by saying that it means basically nothing didn´t help in my opinion.
I would like to add something to your post if you don't mind.
"but reactions to it are not adequate very often and criticism is generaly not well accepted on any forum or social media platform."
It's a problem of society. As long as there is no face to face contact there is no underlining or context to a message. It's just a plain message, or an offensive one, or a defensive one. And that all depends on the one that reads it.
So how can people call it "social media", when there is no social aspect at all.
I don't like FB, Twitter or whatever else that calls itself "social media".
I'd rather sit in one real room with all of you having descent and clear discussions, meanwhile enjoying a cold beer, than doing it through my computer screen. Just because we can see clearer what we all mean when we talk about something (I think I went a bit off-track again)
My water park reply is here:
"We are aware that some of the community have been keen on getting a waterpark DLC or expansion pack. Currently we have no plans to develop this. We don’t feel that we can deliver this in a way that suits Planet Coaster, meets the quality level our fans deserve, and offer it at a reasonable price point.
We understand that this might cause a little disappointment with some of you, but please know that we have looked at all of our options and believe that this is what’s best for the game overall. Rest assured, the Planet Coaster dev team are still hard at work on the game."
Hope that clarifies.
As for comments about a "rotten" community, please take this from me: I've worked with many communities (not just at Frontier) and the Planet Coaster community is absolutely not "rotten". You're a wonderful bunch of people who are actually really respectful in stating your opinions and conveying your passion for the game in a great way! The fact that there's discussions and stuff is not a bad thing at all, we welcome it. So please don't think you're part of a negative community at all; trust me, it's very, very far from that actually
(try working on a first-person shooter community, fun times...)
Have a lovely weekend,
<3 Bo
"We are aware that some of the community have been keen on getting a waterpark DLC or expansion pack. Currently we have no plans to develop this. We don’t feel that we can deliver this in a way that suits Planet Coaster, meets the quality level our fans deserve, and offer it at a reasonable price point.
We understand that this might cause a little disappointment with some of you, but please know that we have looked at all of our options and believe that this is what’s best for the game overall. Rest assured, the Planet Coaster dev team are still hard at work on the game."
Hope that clarifies
.As for comments about a "rotten" community, please take this from me: I've worked with many communities (not just at Frontier) and the Planet Coaster community is absolutely not "rotten". You're a wonderful bunch of people who are actually really respectful in stating your opinions and conveying your passion for the game in a great way! The fact that there's discussions and stuff is not a bad thing at all, we welcome it. So please don't think you're part of a negative community at all; trust me, it's very, very far from that actually
(try working on a first-person shooter community, fun times...)
Have a lovely weekend,
<3 Bo
My water park reply is here:
"We are aware that some of the community have been keen on getting a waterpark DLC or expansion pack. Currently we have no plans to develop this. We don’t feel that we can deliver this in a way that suits Planet Coaster, meets the quality level our fans deserve, and offer it at a reasonable price point.
We understand that this might cause a little disappointment with some of you, but please know that we have looked at all of our options and believe that this is what’s best for the game overall. Rest assured, the Planet Coaster dev team are still hard at work on the game."
Hope that clarifies
As for comments about a "rotten" community, please take this from me: I've worked with many communities (not just at Frontier) and the Planet Coaster community is absolutely not "rotten". You're a wonderful bunch of people who are actually really respectful in stating your opinions and conveying your passion for the game in a great way! The fact that there's discussions and stuff is not a bad thing at all, we welcome it. So please don't think you're part of a negative community at all; trust me, it's very, very far from that actually
(try working on a first-person shooter community, fun times...)
Have a lovely weekend,
<3 Bo
Thanks Bo, have a nice weekend, thanks for searching up the water park part you posted.
RCT3 soaked might not be as pretty as PlanCo, but considering its 15 years old its still an amazing accomplishment. You guys charged extra for early access ($75 for early birds even though nothing extra was available/included) and yet you are saying you would have to charge even more for water parks in PlanCo? You've given away PlanCo for under $10 when its on sale, why did you go so low? Was it because you were mostly focused on pumping out a bunch of small DLCs in hopes of people spending more money simply because it appears to be cheaper?? Anyway... I would rather pay another $45-$60 for a water park expansion, but I refuse to pay over $60 for the current DLC. I hate ala-cart pick-and-choose DLCs, I want one big complete expansion, and so do many other people. Casual gamers do not enjoy catalogues of decisions on which item to buy, and its time you start considering the casuals more. Water Parks would be that one stand-out must-have DLC especially if it offered more scenarios and management features
I do believe a water park expansion would bring in a lot more new players compared to the current DLCs which mainly only appeal to the die-hard fans. Would people expect perfection from you? Probably, but considering the fact that many of us have spent quite a lot of money on this game already, we kind of had high hopes for the future of the game and its kind of disappointing to see you guys just throw your arms up in the air and say "nope not gonna happen" I know its against the rules, but I wonder if this would be less of an issue if Denuvo actually worked at preventing piracy?? I know you will probably not want me saying that but its true. Anyway... Maybe if you released a few water rides with some of the current DLCs it might be nice to at least have some boats.
I feel like the current engine is lacking in so many ways, especially in the water department. I dont know why the engine is so problematic, is it because we have the ability to have over 20,000 guests all bunch up in a crowd but they cant walk around as individuals? then that should be fixed! or whatever other problems need fixing should have been focused on earlier in development, long before the beta/final release. So many complaints/suggestions were made during alpha that have gone ignored (such as UI) which makes me feel at this point, that I would rather wait for a true sequel PlanCo2 to correct these problems, but in the mean time I wont be spending any more money on the current DLCs here, and if PlanCo2 doesnt have backward compatibility with the Steam Workshop then theres really going to be some major concerns about the future of this series.
I consider RCT3 to be the pivotal high point in this genre and until PlanCo can match or exceed the content (not quality) of RCT3 then it will always feel as though PlanCo is lacking. Obviously PlanCo is prettier but thats only good enough for some people, RCT3 was great despite not being pretty. I'd expect the same gameplay from PlanCo with or without the pretty graphics
Just IMO
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But is the door still open for water park elements in the future? If you can get it to the quality that you want? Maybe in a few years? The water would need to be overhauled and new code for the people for changing rooms and swimming. Soaked was good, but RCT3 is dated now compared with PC. Yet PC is still missing stuff that RCT3 has. Just admit it, the only reason you won’t do waterparks now or in the near future is because you don’t feel like fixing the base game to allow a quality water park DLC or pack.
Technically there may be other issues we are not aware of - performance for example. That's probably one reason why water is how it is now - don't forget that some of it is limited by what the engine and the underlying DirectX API can do.
Shane
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