Tacit Admission Alert!! Mod Support INCOMING!!
So I haven't been here for a while, are there mods yet?
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Tacit Admission Alert!! Mod Support INCOMING!!
Vampiro
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I recently heard a rumor GregorBurns is driving a very expensive car nowdays ... [wink]
There is one easy explanation for all of this. The illuminati
Or was pressured into it.
Mods were an important feature to him according to his activity in the topic, and then, for no reason whatsoever (according to Brett C), they weren't? I'm on the autism spectrum and even to me that seems fishy.
Sounds likely. My primary interest in modding/UGC support is in getting what would make the game more fun for me (which hopefully would also attract more paying newbies), since waiting for the devs to provide them has been . . . I think I'll go with “frustrating”. [uhh]
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No pressure. No cover-up job. I asked for the thread to be closed, and it was closed.
Guess you still don't believe me? [rolleyes]
Guess you still don't believe me? [rolleyes]
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Joël
Volunteer Moderator
Or it was simply a choice Gregor made on his own without any influence from Frontier.
Gregor gave you a reply, the moderators gave you a reply and even Brett gave you a detailed reply with the reason for that threads closure. Ultimately, it just came down to a personal choice, and a valid request since Gregor was the OP of that thread.
You are welcome to start a new thread about modding for Planet Coaster. If Frontier really doesn’t want such threads on these forums, then we moderators would have to close it instantly, which we won’t.
Now let’s get back on topic.
Are there mods yet? Yes, but they are a work in progress and that work is still being done, slowly, but surely. I have already seen some interesting demonstrations of what modding can do and it will only get better as work on those modding tools goes on. Just to be clear; researching into and developing modding tools is very time consuming work and requires a lot of programming knowledge.
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Joël
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Here is another thread about modding. It’s open for replies: https://forums.planetcoaster.com/showthread.php/28874-Modding-Planet-Coaster
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I'm on the designer spectrum, and business spectrum.
To the first part, this is a creative endeavor. This is Frontier's creation. They have a plan for what they want it to look like.
Sure, they've listened to the fans input. I'm also sure they weigh that input against their vision for PlanCo. Let them do their thing. It's been a fun ride. Sometimes I'm surprised. Sometimes I'm disappointed. Such is life, eh? Enjoy the ride.
To the second part, if Frontier are smart business people, they aren't going to ACTIVELY support modding/UGC until they are done with their creation. They have a plan, that plan includes making money, like any business. Let them execute their plan.
If Frontier offered up the tools to mod and import UGC right now, they would be shooting themselves in the foot, because that next paid DLC could easily be replicated buy a user, and offered for free. Well, that makes sense, doesn't it? It's realistic to believe mod/UGC will come at the end of the projects life, which would actually breath new life into the game, and probably drive more sales. Real life example? RCT3.
Instead of a great conspiracy theory surrounding the closure of Gregory's thread, how about taking a couple things from that thread...the first being a security issue, in that it was discovered how the paid DLC could be exploited, and second..."is it done yet?", "How about now?", "Can you do the thing yet?", "How about how?" Are we there yet, Are we there yet, Are we there yet, Are we there yet, Are we there yet, Are we there yet...
As far as the many lists of the thousands of "things I want"... is there a point that that just becomes white noise?
To the first part, this is a creative endeavor. This is Frontier's creation. They have a plan for what they want it to look like.
Sure, they've listened to the fans input. I'm also sure they weigh that input against their vision for PlanCo. Let them do their thing. It's been a fun ride. Sometimes I'm surprised. Sometimes I'm disappointed. Such is life, eh? Enjoy the ride.
To the second part, if Frontier are smart business people, they aren't going to ACTIVELY support modding/UGC until they are done with their creation. They have a plan, that plan includes making money, like any business. Let them execute their plan.
If Frontier offered up the tools to mod and import UGC right now, they would be shooting themselves in the foot, because that next paid DLC could easily be replicated buy a user, and offered for free. Well, that makes sense, doesn't it? It's realistic to believe mod/UGC will come at the end of the projects life, which would actually breath new life into the game, and probably drive more sales. Real life example? RCT3.
Instead of a great conspiracy theory surrounding the closure of Gregory's thread, how about taking a couple things from that thread...the first being a security issue, in that it was discovered how the paid DLC could be exploited, and second..."is it done yet?", "How about now?", "Can you do the thing yet?", "How about how?" Are we there yet, Are we there yet, Are we there yet, Are we there yet, Are we there yet, Are we there yet...
As far as the many lists of the thousands of "things I want"... is there a point that that just becomes white noise?
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Very well said, Bitter Jeweler!
I've been saying the exact same thing on many of these UGC threads. Why on Earth would Frontier shoot the cash cow?
I've been saying the exact same thing on many of these UGC threads. Why on Earth would Frontier shoot the cash cow?
Joël
Volunteer Moderator
Indeed. Very well said, Bitter Jeweler.
Yep, good point. So, in order to get Frontier mod/UGC support, we need a boycott of upcoming DLCs, and a halt to anybody buying the old ones, and discouraging newbies from buying the game itself -- doesn't have to be absolute, but enough of a hit to convince Frontier that their “cash cow” customer base has dried up. Is that what we want? [weird]
Or, instead of manipulating each other to get what we want, Frontier and its customers can behave like rational human beings -- if they can't provide content and gameplay options sufficient and fast enough for the customers, then they should sell us tools that allow the customers to do so for ourselves and each other. Right? Nah, of course not -- that makes way too much sense!
I don't get the leaps of Logic you do here. But i strongly suggest looking at how it was with RCT3. Similar Situation.
All you lot are doing is yelling for Mods and UGC NAAAAAOOOOO. Just relax alright?
How about instead of people demanding mod support, they behave like rational human beings and attempt it themselves? Nobody is stopping you!
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Don't get your logic here?
First of all I think you overestimating the number of people who really really want UGC compared to the whole player base. Most causal players (and a lot of people here) don't care about UGC. They want content from the official maker of the game and will, in most cases, happily pay for it (or there would be no more DLCs for example). From what I have seen, the latest DLC, the adventure pack, was a huge success. As long as that keeps going there won't be a UGC tool from Frontier. Why kill off your own revenue stream by giving the tools the create the content you want to sell for themselves? Makes very little sense from a business stand point.
Same as with RCT3, which is a very good indicator to this as it was made by the same company, once the revenue is winding down for Planet Coaster, Frontier might consider releasing such a tool, either for free or for a fee, to keep the game alive until the next installment (if any). If you can convince people to stop buying the game so they can release the tool, good for you. My opinion is that a mission like that most likely is a mission impossible. Causal players want convenience and UGC is not always convenient. Even a good game in this area like Cities: Skylines, are having issues every time the game updates, breaking a log of the mods, making old saves unplayable for some time (or forever if the mod maker decided not to keep updating it for free). I also don't think a UGC tool will increase sales of the base game in any dramatic way. Anyone who would be interested in taking the time to create and use mods in the game already have the game. A regular Steam sale probably will have a better effect on the bottom line.
I think it will happen, but not for x number of years. For me, the longer the better because that means that the game and future DLCs will keep doing very well. If you want it now, you have all the freedom to work on a mod yourself. Frontier won't stop you as long as you don't exploit the game like enabling DLCs for free etc. Instead of demanding others to do it, do it yourself of find someone else to do it for you it you want it so badly.
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Says the guy who mysteriously stopped for no reason whatsoever, especially not anything to do with Frontier, of course not, how could anybody think such a thing . . . [rolleyes]
Yep, excellent idea! So why is any attempt at cooperative effort (lets do it WITH Frontier instead of AGAINST them!) being mischaracterized as "demanding"?
I can make low-poly 3D models and tileable textures, including animated tileable textures -- not magnificent, but probably good enough for the game, and I'm hardly the only one. I don't have the skills to make mods or import UGC, and I don't have the time to develop such skills, even if I'm able to (not sure). I'm caretaking my 70+ year old mother while working, so anything I contribute has to fit around that.
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I love being the centre of a conspiracy theory [heart]
For anyone who wants to know the truth, click the button (not for the faint hearted!):
The truth behind the closure of my modding thread:
I requested that a moderator close it, for personal reasons. They did. Shock horror. [shocked]
I requested that a moderator close it, for personal reasons. They did. Shock horror. [shocked]
I'd also like to kindly ask that people stop discussing me here, and take what I say at face value. Thanks [tongue]
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I think, anyone wants to build the park of his dreams so close to his own imagination as possible. There are the ones who want to build 100% accurate copies of their personal favorite park and there's the ones who have in idea in their mind, but not the right walls, stones etc. in the content to create this idea exact like you want them. For that reason a kind of UGC Editor woud be great. It gives you the possibility to fill the gaps in our scnery that Frontier don't close.
But as long as Frontier keeps us entertained with various content in the form of free updates (which are sure to become less and in the end only bug fixes) and paid DLCs, there will not be such this kind of an editor from the official site.
Apart from the fact that the editor for RCT3, which was not supported by Frontier, appeared at that time also very surprising. Who knows ... maybe some guys have something in the pipeline . And sometimes it's better to present a working product at the right time as to hype something, which later fails.
But as long as Frontier keeps us entertained with various content in the form of free updates (which are sure to become less and in the end only bug fixes) and paid DLCs, there will not be such this kind of an editor from the official site.
Apart from the fact that the editor for RCT3, which was not supported by Frontier, appeared at that time also very surprising. Who knows ... maybe some guys have something in the pipeline . And sometimes it's better to present a working product at the right time as to hype something, which later fails.
Happy to help! [up]
But . . .
Every flat-eather wants their assertions taken at face value, which seems reasonable to them -- their belief that the world is flat is based on their personal experience, why shouldn't that be respected? Doesn't mean it's true. If somebody (not Gregor, per his request above) chose to stop participating in a controversial activity for personal reasons, OR was pressured out of it by those who wanted it stopped, there's no way for others to tell the difference, and silencing tactics against others discussing it just makes it look more ominous. [wacky]
But I'll do my best not to further refer to the local anti-modding cautionary tale in the pro-modding topics. [mouth shut]
Joël
Volunteer Moderator
There's a very handy feature on the forums that can be used to hide posts of members that you think are annoying or close to trolling. That feature is called the Ignore feature. To enable it, simply click on a username on the left side of someone's post and click 'Ignore user' in the context menu that will appear. [up]
There's no point in continuing a discussion with someone who doesn't want to see facts presented to him or her. A nice opportunity to use that Ignore feature.
There's no point in continuing a discussion with someone who doesn't want to see facts presented to him or her. A nice opportunity to use that Ignore feature.
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