Power Up Does Not Allow Kids to Ride

Bullethead · Apr 27, 2018

Severity
Moderate

Frequency
All of the time (100% reproducible)

Area of Game Affected
Coasters

Description
The Power Up coaster is listed as "adults and teens only". This is a bug. It should be "For all ages". The Power Up is based on the Maurer X-Train which the company's literature at the time it was in production EXPRESSLY STATED and showed in multiple videos as being intended riders of all shapes and sizes.

While no longer available on the Maurer site, I saved the brochures so here's the proof that this coaster should be "for all ages".

https://www.dropbox.com/s/opptr8kzqkhic59/X-Car-Prospect.pdf?dl=0

NOTE ESPECIALLY the illustrations on pages 3 and 5.

Steps to Reproduce
Build a Power Up coaster.

redrum · Apr 27, 2018

Bullethead said:
This is a bug.

Definitely not a bug.

Bullethead · Apr 27, 2018

redrum said:
Definitely not a bug.

It's definitely a bug. It's controlled by the setting of a single flag in the data somewhere, which was set incorrectly in this case. The X-Car was designed to be used in all sorts of rides, not just the back-flipping SkyLoop variety, and you can make such rides with it in PC. It should be able to carry kids, just like the real X-Car. The fact that it can't is wrong.

Strange thing is, though, if you go to the Maurer website today, there's no mention of the X-Car and X-Train coasters such as the Power Up at all anymore. Not even in the gallery. Late last year, about the time the Power Up appeared in the game, the X-Car coasters were the main focus of the Maurer site, the next big thing they were into. Now, totally gone, not even mentioned among past achievements. It's like Maurer wants everybody to forget they ever existed. Did something bad happen recently?

KickAir8p · Apr 27, 2018

Bullethead said:
It's definitely a bug. It's controlled by the setting of a single flag in the data somewhere, which was set incorrectly in this case. The X-Car was designed to be used in all sorts of rides, not just the back-flipping SkyLoop variety, and you can make such rides with it in PC. It should be able to carry kids, just like the real X-Car. The fact that it can't is wrong . . .

Yep, it's a bug.

redrum · Apr 27, 2018

Bullethead said:
It's definitely a bug. It's controlled by the setting of a single flag in the data somewhere...

Repeating a false statement over and over won't make it true.

Here's a reminder of something you see every time you start the game...

"The rides in Planet Coaster are fictitious. No similarity to actual rides is intended or should be inferred."

A bug is an error in the program logic causing unexpected behaviour. Someone's decision to set a "single flag in the data somewhere" to a setting you don't like, is not a bug. It would only be a bug if the flag failed to represent its set value.

Valid suggestion though! More people will get on the ride I assume if it's an all ages ride. And that's why you're here making the suggestion.

Bullethead · Apr 27, 2018

redrum said:
Repeating a false statement over and over won't make it true.

And of course saying PC rides are NOT based on real rides over and over doesn't make that true.

It is completely true, however, that the X-Car is designed for kids, as proved beyond any doubt at all by the original Maurer brochure linked above. And it's also completely true that the Power Up is based on the Maurer ride, including even the signature vertical lift into a roll back over the station.

Therefore, not allowing kids on this ride IS a programming error, which IS resulting in the unexpected behavior of no kids being allowed on this ride. This is the very definition of a bug.

Now kindly mind your own business. I was talking to Frontier, not you.

tricktrack · Apr 27, 2018

Bullethead said:
It's like Maurer wants everybody to forget they ever existed. Did something bad happen recently?

The only bad thing that happened, is that they didn´t sell particularly well. Maurer put lots of money into research and design. When the X-car was coming out it was the only option to offer a safe, lap-bar only car that would keep even small persons safely in seat while hanging upside down.
The only problem was that it wasn´t all that comfortable and a bit clunky. Customers were not exactly lining up to buy it and soon other companies would come up with their own lap-bar systems that sold much better.
Along with the Cascade there is really no reason why kids should not be allowed to ride it.

Bullethead · Apr 28, 2018

tricktrack said:
The only bad thing that happened, is that they didn´t sell particularly well. Maurer put lots of money into research and design. When the X-car was coming out it was the only option to offer a safe, lap-bar only car that would keep even small persons safely in seat while hanging upside down.
The only problem was that it wasn´t all that comfortable and a bit clunky. Customers were not exactly lining up to buy it and soon other companies would come up with their own lap-bar systems that sold much better.
Along with the Cascade there is really no reason why kids should not be allowed to ride it.

Thanks for the info. Especially the last sentence

But that aside, it still seems mysterious why Maurer makes absolutely no mention of the X-car today, even as a past achievement. Sure, it might not have been the greatest thing ever, but it was a definite trend-setter. The 1st instance of something is rarely the best implementation and Maurer can still take credit for inspiring the more comfortable successors along the same lines. Paying for the R&D of others is a natural offshoot of having to publish your plans when you patent something, so it's always of matter of writing your patents as broadly as possible so that if anybody comes up with an improvement, they still have to pay you for using the basic idea. I'm guessing Maurer didn't do its patents as well as it could have.

tricktrack · Apr 28, 2018

I just checke Maurer Rides website and they still have the X-Car rides on sale. They´re filed under "Special" (scroll down).
With that new single car Spike Coaster they have the next expensive flop in their portfolio [where is it].
They make more money building bridges anyway.

RealWar · Apr 30, 2018

This isn't a bug. This definitely belongs in the suggestions & ideas part of the forum.

Bullethead said:
It's definitely a bug. It's controlled by the setting of a single flag in the data somewhere, which was set incorrectly in this case. The X-Car was designed to be used in all sorts of rides, not just the back-flipping SkyLoop variety, and you can make such rides with it in PC. It should be able to carry kids, just like the real X-Car. The fact that it can't is wrong.

Just because the manufacturer has something on their site (or has examples in real life), doesn't make it a bug. If that were the case, then:
-The Power-Up not having block brakes would be a bug
-The Power-Up not having a customizable chain lift segment capable of fully inverting would be a bug
-The Iron Fury having a max train length of 10 instead of 12 would be a bug
-The Tiamat having a max train length of 7 instead of 8 would be a bug
Etc., etc.

OLSinFLA · Apr 30, 2018

tricktrack said:
The only bad thing that happened, is that they didn´t sell particularly well. Maurer put lots of money into research and design. When the X-car was coming out it was the only option to offer a safe, lap-bar only car that would keep even small persons safely in seat while hanging upside down.
The only problem was that it wasn´t all that comfortable and a bit clunky. Customers were not exactly lining up to buy it and soon other companies would come up with their own lap-bar systems that sold much better.
Along with the Cascade there is really no reason why kids should not be allowed to ride it.

I dont think they ever recovered from the Rip Ride Rocket fiasco. Certainly made US parks leery of using them

tricktrack · Apr 30, 2018

OLSinFLA said:
I dont think they ever recovered from the Rip Ride Rocket fiasco. Certainly made US parks leery of using them

What was the fiasco apart from the layout being a bit sucky? If I remember correctly, most problems where due to the operations and not the ride manufacturer? Or am I missing something?
edit: oh, if found this.

Bullethead · May 2, 2018

And so, the mods once again delegate a real, legit bug to the "suggestion" forum.

This is the main reason why I hardly every post in this pathetic excuse for a forum.

spoonetti · May 3, 2018

If it was a bug, then you posted it in a wrong thread. This is the right >Thread where you can post bug reports.

But in my opinion it is not a bug.

Coaster Cinema · May 3, 2018

It's an oversight by Frontier, I've seen plenty of kids experience Hollywood Rip Ride Rockit which is a real life equivalent to the Power Up coaster.