Shame on you fdev

There's no such thing as an aircraft that doesn't have 'misaligned' wings. In fact, the very very best aircraft in the world have wings that don't come anywhere near being aligned.

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Oh, and if you think this is just a modern trend, go take a look at a Mustang, and an F-86 Sabre, and an F-104 Starfigter, and even the F-15 and Su-27.

'Wings aren't aligned' is your OCD talking. The fact is, everyone knows ship kits are all form, no function, so it doesn't matter anyway, you're only putting them on for the sake of vanity, and if you don't like them, there's literally no functional reason to buy them. If you didn't buy them, then you have absolutely nothing to complain about. Move along.

Spaceships =! aircraft.
 
Spaceships =! aircraft.

Except that they do, because in this game, the spaceships are literally designed to mimic real world aircraft. Game =! reality. In reality, spaceship =! aircraft. In game, spaceship = aircraft. Actually, in this game, the spaceships are more like hybrids between cars and aircraft - I always get a "cheap Toyota" feel when flying the Hauler and Adder. But I digress. Primary point is, the ship kits are entirely non-functional and entirely optional.
 
Except that they do, because in this game, the spaceships are literally designed to mimic real world aircraft.

By mimic you mean the flight model? Well then yes, that still doesn't make them aircraft and that's simply not how people or the game calls them.

Game =! reality.

Who would have known...

In reality, spaceship =! aircraft. In game, spaceship = aircraft.

No, because there aren't aircraft in the first place within the game! You are literally only relabeling what is already labeled.

Actually, in this game, the spaceships are more like hybrids between cars and aircraft - I always get a "cheap Toyota" feel when flying the Hauler and Adder. But I digress.

I never felt as if I drove a car but this is more of a subjective feel.

Primary point is, the ship kits are entirely non-functional and entirely optional.

Well indeed, as such, I don't see the point of your original post.
 
FY2018 had Elite arriving on PS4, bolstering it to £18m of game sales. FY2019 will "only" get £9m in game sales, from new players and existing ones buying Horizons.

Liberum project FDev to earn around £12m in game sales (Elite and/or Horizons) in FY2020 (Jun 2019 to May 2020), not a drop to £zero, so they must know something marketable is coming to Elite Dangerous during that timeframe. FDev have said that New Era will be ready for the 2nd half of 2020, while small updates will come every 3-4 months before then; plus the dev-ran events/CGs that we find more about next month. All we know is that the first two small updates will contain better New Player Experience and QoL improvements, then new features and content are coming in the small updates that follow.

It'll certainly be interesting to see what FDev have planned for 2019/2020 which they think might boost sales beyond what this year yield.
Can't really see the stuff they've discussed accomplishing it.

Also, there's some thing else we DO know about the releases scheduled for this year.
Something important.
We know that it's already 4 months since Beyond concluded and there's no sign of an inbound update.
 
By mimic you mean the flight model? Well then yes, that still doesn't make them aircraft and that's simply not how people or the game calls them.




.....this is more of a subjective feel.

Exactly.

At the end of the day, 'misaligned wings' is neither a problem on aircraft, or spacecraft, because wings are not functional in space. So it's entirely a matter of subjectivity. And I really wish people like the OP would stop thinking they speak for everyone else's taste and stop effortposting on our behalf as if we have the same problems with the ship kits on offer.

Because many of us quite clearly don't. Do you know what that means?

It means it's entirely subjective. It means, it's a personal problem. And if it's a personal problem, then it's not my problem, nor FDEV's problem, nor is it a problem with the game.


Which means it's not a problem worth an effortpost by the OP assuming that his measure of taste is the only one that matters.

The reason I brought up aircraft is because aircraft is the only thing that wings matter on, even slightly. Eventually, we'll have atmospheric flight as well, and maybe things like wings WILL become functional, and our spacecraft will become aerospace craft.
 
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There's no such thing as an aircraft that doesn't have 'misaligned' wings. In fact, the very very best aircraft in the world have wings that don't come anywhere near being aligned.

FWIW, I think the point was that a lot of the ship-kit parts don't "flow" smoothly from the original hull into the add-on parts.

Course, it's true that might not be the case in real aircraft but when you're creating pretend spaceships and you ignore the opportunity to make them look nice, it kind of demonstrates either a lack of artistry or a lack of effort.
 
I guess most players bought paint jobs long before the kits were available.
Discovering how poorly they work is indeed a disappointment.

Is it sloppy work? yes it is.
 
FWIW, I think the point was that a lot of the ship-kit parts don't "flow" smoothly from the original hull into the add-on parts.

Course, it's true that might not be the case in real aircraft but when you're creating pretend spaceships and you ignore the opportunity to make them look nice, it kind of demonstrates either a lack of artistry or a lack of effort.

That's kind of what I wanted to say, there's no use to draw realism paralarells between two different things when the purpose of ship kits is to make ships look nice, it is true that it is subjective, but I don't think I like it nor do most people.
 
FWIW, I think the point was that a lot of the ship-kit parts don't "flow" smoothly from the original hull into the add-on parts.

Course, it's true that might not be the case in real aircraft but when you're creating pretend spaceships and you ignore the opportunity to make them look nice, it kind of demonstrates either a lack of artistry or a lack of effort.
Again, that's entirely a matter of subjective opinion.

Lack of artistry? What sort of elitist thinks this opinion ever actually matters?

Your personal opinion on the quality of optional vanity extras for your ships demonstrates nothing but your personal opinion, and that's it. My personal opinion is that the ship kits are fine, and many of them are more than fine, great even.

Which one of us is right? Neither. Both. There is no 'right' or 'wrong', only opinion, and that's it. And if you don't like them, then no one is holding a gun to your head and making you buy them.
 
It'll certainly be interesting to see what FDev have planned for 2019/2020 which they think might boost sales beyond what this year yield.
Can't really see the stuff they've discussed accomplishing it.

Also, there's some thing else we DO know about the releases scheduled for this year.
Something important.
We know that it's already 4 months since Beyond concluded and there's no sign of an inbound update.
We know very little about what's coming, unfortunately, bar the vague descriptors: regular dev-ran events/CGs, 2x of New Player Experience & QoL & bug fixes, and then new features & content too (prior to New Era). And that the updates are coming every 3-4 months.

We find out about the dev-ran events/CGs next month - it's very likely the first of those will arrive in first of the small updates. If that's late-April (around Easter maybe?) then a fair guess would be two further updates this year, with the first of the new features/content updates arriving December.

Speculation: with NMS getting PSVR support later this year - despite its not-super performance on PS4 vanilla - its possible Sony have improved PSVR's performance/optimisation to a level where Elite can gain PSVR support also. We know FDev have been wanting PSVR support for Elite since the port was announced, but PS4 performance wasn't sufficient for a quality experience. Now that'd be good marketing for the game if included in a small interim update, after New Player Experience has already been implemented.
 
Again, that's entirely a matter of subjective opinion.

Lack of artistry? What sort of elitist thinks this opinion ever actually matters?

Your personal opinion on the quality of optional vanity extras for your ships demonstrates nothing but your personal opinion, and that's it. My personal opinion is that the ship kits are fine, and many of them are more than fine, great even.

Which one of us is right? Neither. Both. There is no 'right' or 'wrong', only opinion, and that's it. And if you don't like them, then no one is holding a gun to your head and making you buy them.

It's also foolish to try and deny the existence of trends simply because of aberrations.

Stick a Ferrari 458 and an AMC Pacer next to each other and you'll almost certainly get a couple of oddballs insisting that the Pacer is a better looking car but the vast majority of people will say the 458 is nicer.
 
Speculation: with NMS getting PSVR support later this year - despite its not-super performance on PS4 vanilla - its possible Sony have improved PSVR's performance/optimisation to a level where Elite can gain PSVR support also. We know FDev have been wanting PSVR support for Elite since the port was announced, but PS4 performance wasn't sufficient for a quality experience. Now that'd be good marketing for the game if included in a small interim update, after New Player Experience has already been implemented.

Oddly enough, I did wonder about something like that myself.

Trouble is, we now know that FDev committed all their available resources to creating Beyond.
Beyond wasn't created by a small team of dev's while another team worked on "The Next Big Thing".
We also know that, to be brutal, even though they committed all their available resources to the project, they failed to deliver it as originally stated.

So, with that in mind, if FDev spend time, effort and resources tarting up one specific version of ED it doesn't bode well for future of the current "Next Big Thing".
 
Oddly enough, I did wonder about something like that myself.

Trouble is, we now know that FDev committed all their available resources to creating Beyond.
Beyond wasn't created by a small team of dev's while another team worked on "The Next Big Thing".
We also know that, to be brutal, even though they committed all their available resources to the project, they failed to deliver it as originally stated.

So, with that in mind, if FDev spend time, effort and resources tarting up one specific version of ED it doesn't bode well for future of the current "Next Big Thing".
Note we haven't received everything that the Elite team were working on during Beyond's development. Ice Planet revamp, Fleet Carriers, and the 2018 Premium Content, we all held back for further development and later release. Similar to PSVR support, any of these could arrive in the interim updates. Heck, a Powerplay revamp might even surface (ha!).

As to the actual work involved in PSVR support I'm no dev, but outside of performance/optimisation I'm unaware of dramatic compatibility differences to SteamVR/Oculus which are already supported. There might be very little development needed.

Meanwhile, New Era was in pre-production (tech and/or tools) by some devs for an unknown timescale prior to it entering full production last August.
 
You see, the thread is not about my attitude and yet you divert the attention and light the flames. It is about white knights hindering the game's progress. Anyone who disagrees on the fact that silently accepting sloppy work from the devs harms the game is simply refusing to see reality IMO.

Is my opinion bad attitude? I don't think so. It is my opinion and you should respect it instead of making poems on good forum etiquette.

So, has a bug report been submitted yet?

If not, then OP is not helping the game quality either but rather hindering it.

Without a report this whole thread (including labelling others as unhelpful) is pretty pointless.

I would argue you need to convince noone but FDev that there is an issue with paid items, bring it to their attention so they can rectify.

Why beat around the bush with threads like these that just revolve around semantics without any outcome whatsoever?
 
You see, the thread is not about my attitude and yet you divert the attention and light the flames. It is about white knights hindering the game's progress. Anyone who disagrees on the fact that silently accepting sloppy work from the devs harms the game is simply refusing to see reality IMO.

Is my opinion bad attitude? I don't think so. It is my opinion and you should respect it instead of making poems on good forum etiquette.

Nah, its all about the kickstarter. The whole paintjob thing is just a red herring.
 
It's also foolish to try and deny the existence of trends simply because of aberrations.

Stick a Ferrari 458 and an AMC Pacer next to each other and you'll almost certainly get a couple of oddballs insisting that the Pacer is a better looking car but the vast majority of people will say the 458 is nicer.

What trend?

You have to provide statistics to demonstrate a trend. And you have to demonstrate a trend before you can accept someone to acknowledge one. I'm not denying a trend. One has not been demonstrated.

Of all the people playing the game, the number of us that actually use the forums are a tiny minority, and one effort post with a few people in agreement out of that tiny minority does not a significant statistic make. No trend has been demonstrated. I don't need to deny what doesn't exist.

But when a trend does exist, it's still personal taste. The problems with the AMC Pacer are not aesthetically related, they are functional. It's not a bad car because it's ugly, it's a bad car because it's dangerous to drive, underpowered, and uncomfortable, amongst others. That being said, more Ferrari engines have exploded than Pacer engines. Now there's a trend that matters, because if what you're looking for in a car is something that matters, such as reliability, then you're going to prefer the Pacer to the 458, because you know the chances of the engines exploding are significantly lower.

But none of that matters even one iota if a trend has not been demonstrated, and you haven't given me even a jot of statistical data. So don't even go there.
 
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